I feel sadder about the animals being killed in Ohio than I do about Gaddafi..anyone else?

[DFab420]

[TheWraith]

1. Likewise. The animals never did anything to deserve it. nt

[DFab420]

2. Haha unrecced? Aww should we set up a silent memorial page for Gaddafi??

[sabrina 1]

32. We should set up a memorial page for the loss of our humanity

Cheering death and destruction in oil rich nations used to be the job of the far right war-mongers. But then they were ignorant of history, ignorant of the people whose countries we invaded. And they viewed those people as less than animals! USA! USA! We are good at death and destruction so cheer away. What else are we good at?

All that Oil. Maybe it will help the dying EU bail out some more bankers. They are pretty desperate so, I guess they have a right to steal the resources of other countries. Who's going to stop them?

No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

Unrec'd for the idea that any human being is less than an animal. I am a Democrat because I thought we were better than that. But more and more that appears to have been my mistake.

PS ~ I have a bet to make. The US and 'our allies' will now be going to help the 'Libyan People TRAIN THEIR MILITARY!' We are NOT interested in their oil!

[DFab420]

36. Well thank you for your scorn and derision. You obviously are a better democrat and person than I

I hope it helps you get through your day.

:hi:

[sabrina 1]

37. Am I?

I don't know. All I know is that when a US General called the Iraqis 'Dogs' we on the LEFT did not cheer for that. And I still don't cheer the lessening of any human being. If you think that makes me a better person, well thank you. I hope so.

[DocMac]

79. You asked for opinions.

Looks like your getting some that differs from yours.

[malaise]

54. Excellent post

:hi:

[robinlynne]

60. We ARE animals. We are equal. NOT better. definitely not better.

[bowens43]

3. agreed.....

I do feel bad for the animals. I don't feel sad about gaddafi at all. I do however feel sad that our government feels that it has the right to launch an unprovoked attack on another country.

[DFab420]

5. except for the Libyan ppl calling for international assistance???

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. Some Libyan people. Very unclear if it was even the majority of Libyan people.

How does that work? If Quebec decides to secede from Canada, will we invade Canada on their behalf? Hey, they DO have oil, after all.

[aquart]

14. Nothing of the kind. NOT like Iraq, for instance. When nobody asked us in.

We weren't just asked in by the people of Libya. We were asked to help by the leading voices of Arab spring.

We don't have a lot of pluses in their eyes. We needed to be on the perceived side of right.

Now, if the dictator's supporters are upset, so bloody what?

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. LOL.

Who are the 'leading voices' of Arab Spring?

You really think that the Tunisian leaders were calling for the overthrow of Kadafi? How about the Egyptian leaders - did they call for his overthrow?

Oh, you mean the Libyan Arab Spring leaders - which ones? The Al Queda faction? The Muslim Brotherhood faction? The CIA faction?

Who are these leaders of whom you speak?

[killbotfactory]

65. Must have been the same faction leading the OWS protesters. nt

[dionysus]

4. +1

[JoePhilly]

6. Agree.

[Juneboarder]

7. I feel sadder

that the animals make breaking news clear out in San Diego on every flippin' news channel, yet none of those broadcasters give Occupy Wall Street a blip on the radar.

Hate MSM more and more every day.

[DFab420]

11. +1 for that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. The MSM will get theirs...eventually. KARMA.

It will get them. They will not survive OWS either. THEY ARE COMPLICIT.

[Enrique]

8. agreed, but I'm not elated about either one

nor about the 16-year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki we just killed via drone.

[Lint Head]

9. What if Gaddafi had been attacked by a Bengal Tiger?

[DFab420]

10. Well I would be worried the tiger would get sick from eating fetted meat.

[Rebubula]

38. Think you meant...

....Fetid.

Sorry...I tend to be a spelling and language nazi.


However, I do agree that it would be unfair to make the Tiger eat that man - especially after he was caught in a drainage ditch.

[DFab420]

46. I certainly did.Didnt feel right when I typed it out but my laziness over took my spelling needs....

[aquart]

12. Murdered for being hungry, frightened, desperate?

Yes. I feel for the animals. I feel nothing for Gaddafi. He had a nice run for his people's money.

I am enraged for the animals. I listen to Hanna's excuses and they don't work for me. They just don't work.

[The Doctor.]

19. Seriously, they couldn't requisition tranquilizer rifles and capture teams?

Shit, just use the hard rounds as a back up.


Now as for the animals...

:hide:


Seriously though, Gaddafi was a monster, I don't merely feel nothing, I'm actually very pleased. I do wish they could have captured instead of killed the animals. I just can't shake the image of the deputies having a 'YEEEE-HAAAAW' moment or two.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. They don't work for me either. They could have been captured.

If we can send men to the moon, we can capture wild animals. The people who sold them to the Ohio maniac captured them. Why couldn't people in Ohio do the same?

Billy The Exterminator could have caught them!

[sasha031]

26. agreed 100%

:thumbsup:

I am heartbroken for those animals and for all those kept in captivity and killed for profit.

[femrap]

73. Don't work for me either...

That horrible 'farm' was well known throughout the supposed 'authorities' in Ohio. King Kasich let the Executive Order expire because he didn't want to restrict small businesses engaged in exotic animals.

The longer I live, the more I dislike humans and the more I admire animals.

And I am sure that another poster will come along and argue about my statement just like all the others I have made.

[snagglepuss]

13. Definitely. And I feel for the animals that survived as they look like they

have been abused:( I heard that Ohio has next to no laws regarding exotic pets, I hope this travesty changes that.

[aquart]

17. Not with that soulless prick, Kasich, in charge.

[Mendocino]

58. You spelled it wrong,

it's K-suck. ;)

[devilgrrl]

16. Yep.

eom

[joeybee12]

18. Yeah, while I am not happy witht he dancing on Qaddafi's grave, those animals deaths are tragic..knr

[unionworks]

20. K&R n/t

[RebelOne]

22. Yes, I feel much more empathy for the animals.

These poor creatures were probably caged most of their lives. And when they had a small taste of freedom, they are killed. Gaddafi had a lifetime to wreak havoc on his country's people before he was killed.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. My heart broke over the death of those animals. Gaddafi, not so much. K&R!

[sasha031]

24. I understand what you are feeling, to me it's always a tragedy when an innocent life is taken

those poor animals did not deserve to be kept in captivity and in the end destroyed.
Lisa0825 provided some important information and what you can do about it. here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2149395&mesg_id=2149395

[FarCenter]

25. Just because the one man and the few dozen animals made the news?

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who also died that day? Many of whom died of violence, starvation, preventable disease, etc.

What about the millions of animals who also died that day? Many of whom were killed and eaten by other animals.

[DFab420]

34. why would i be sad that animals killed and ate other animals

I am sad some fuckhead in Ohio had animals he couldn't tned to, killed himself like a coward and left those animals to die...

[Rebubula]

40. Oh dear FSM....

...REALLY?? That is all you have?


Try and stay on topic - we cannot focus on everything at once.

[aquart]

83. Dismissive and belittling statement.

Also, rude and insensitive. People who care for all care for nothing and no one. The job's too big so they don't bother to do anything.

Let's start small: Each and every day you do ONE thing to make another living creature's life brighter. Think you can manage that much?

[hifiguy]

27. We will always have brutal dictators.

Each Bengal tiger lost, however, takes that magnificent species one step closer to extinction.

[Lisa0825]

28. Amen to that. :-( nt

[tularetom]

31. Why would you be sad at all that Gaddafi was killed?

As far as the animals are concerned I wish they would have been able to eat the asshole that confined them to his dumbass zoo.

Of course I feel bad about them.

[Arctic Dave]

33. I would been happier if it was bush and cheney. nt

[femrap]

74. LOL!!

Thx you gave me a long-needed laugh. I, too, would prefer W and Cheney to have bellied up.

[drmeow]

35. Yup - me too. n/t

[Brickbat]

39. I don't feel sad about either of them.

:shrug:

[DFab420]

43. That a lil sad in its own right..18 Bengal tigers is a huge loss to the species

[femrap]

75. wow....

most people wouldn't cop to being a hater of Mother Nature. I've long considered those to have a major character flaw and kept at a long distance.

another to The List.

[Brickbat]

81. Pretty big leap from "not sad" to "hater."

Knock yourself out, I guess.

[tabasco]

41. Me too.

Yesiree.

[tawadi]

42. K&R

[AtomicKitten]

44. Infinitely sadder.

:cry:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

45. I don't celebrate the death of anyone, not even my worst enemy

It's not a time to rejoice. But in the case of Khadaffy, you can't say he didn't bring this on himself. His numerous crimes made a lot of people angry in his country. As far as the animals are concerned, they were just doing what comes natural. The owner was the bad actor for releasing them. I agree with you that the sadder of the two events involves the animals.

[Gregorian]

47. Disgusting thread. Unrec.

[DFab420]

48. thanks for your opinion.

:hi:

[Gregorian]

50. You're welcome

In case you are interested in knowing why I unrecc'ed it, it's not that I don't care. But it seems odd that we don't see these same threads posted regarding the 42 million cows that are butchered each year, in the US. And they live in horrid conditions. That is truly saddening.

[bigwillq]

51. Valid point

At least you stated why. Probably should've been said in your original reply to this thread, though.

[sabrina 1]

52. I agree, very sad thread to see here.

[ileus]

49. At least the animals could have been enjoyed by children at a zoo. Gaddafi...not so much.

[XanaDUer]

53. Me too

nt

[distantearlywarning]

55. Yeah, pretty much.

My reaction to the tiger slaughter was tears. My reaction to Gaddafi was "Eh".

[TheKentuckian]

56. Unrec for use of the Reich Wing "sympathy" for (insert bad guy here) tactic

I don't give a fuck about Qaddafi or bin Laden or Al Alwaki as individuals and suspect few do either.

This does not have to be explained because most of you USED to know exactly what people are concerned to vexed about or you used to pretend you did for partisan reasons but have now chosen the path to the dark ages, back slappin and hoohaaing the whole way just like the Bush worshipers.

The sad thing is this slippery slope will end up with people just like us getting disappeared, tortured, and murdered on a whim.

So, yeah those animals hurt my heart and I could give a fuck emotionally about the demise of villains but I do care much more about the how's, why's , and who's of offing the fuckers and am gravely concerned that such folks are nothing but cover for wickedness that is nothing I want to associate with and cannot condone.

Qaddafi, isn't a big deal. I consider it an internal matter but the unchecked, unverifiable, unquestionable unitary executive powers are way past serious and completely unacceptable.

Democrats for unchecked power to kill is an absurdity.

[Major Hogwash]

62. That's one hell of a stretch in logic. From animals in Ohio to Khaddafi to us.

I guess we should all be afraid of our shadows by the end of the year now.

[RaleighNCDUer]

72. The OP is the one who made the absurd connection.

Some of us are more concerned with deeper ramifications and the effects on the American character of the unbridled militarism and the quick resort to / approval of force to dispose of people we don't like.

[Major Hogwash]

84. Hahahaha!!!!

Deeper ramifaications that you have in your imaginations!!

He said he was "gravely concerned".
That's just too much.

:rofl:

[RaleighNCDUer]

85. Funny, I thought that funny thing in the circle there was a peace symbol -

but it obviously can't be, seeing your support of US power overthrowing the leaders of other nations.

Or maybe, it's OK if you are a Democrat.

[proud patriot]

57. same here

[robinlynne]

59. sad about Gaddhafi?

[Rex]

61. Why would I feel sorry for a dictator?

He made the decisions that got him where he ended up. Those animals were innocent and deserved better. :(

[tuckessee]

63. Do you have any sympathy for the innocent civilians killed by NATO & the rebels?

Gaddafi isn't the only one who was killed during the past few months. Where do those victims rate in comparison to animals?

[Number23]

64. I do too.

Rec'd

[Daphne08]

66. Yes, I do, too.

[Prometheus Bound]

67. I feel sad for the souless people who celebrate war and death.

[Raine]

68. Absolutely! nt

[MrSlayer]

69. Much sadder about the animals.

Animals are innocent. A lot of people suck.

[greybear]

70. Give Love

Love for the spirits lost.

[tavalon]

71. Well, yeah, actually

I don't believe in assassination under any circumstance, but the animals were innocent.

[Festivito]

76. When animals die their tails remain, when men die their tales can disappear.

The death penalty only satisfies the weak and cowardly and is only deftly supported by the nervously scared.

[leftyladyfrommo]

77. Me too.

I'm heartsick about the animals.

[LanternWaste]

78. I imagine many people are compelled to measure, compare, contrast

I imagine many people feel compelled to measure, compare, contrast and eventually justify our emotional reactions to a thing. It's quite the leap of faith-- but no better nor no worse than any other leap of faith.

I'd guess that sometimes it's merely a visceral reaction to a situation; but far more often, I think we do it simply to better rationalize our behavior, and eventually justify our those things which make up our character.

I imagine it's all simply part and parcel of human nature... :shrug:

[deacon]

80. ? An idiotic comparison. Sheesh and -1

[yoyossarian]

82. ME FUCKING TOO!

Bengal tigers are some of the most beautiful creatures in the world.

Tyrants are some of the ugliest.

End of story.

[JackDragna]

86. This has nothing to do with sadness..

..but whether someone, even as bad as Gaddafi, deserved to be executed in the streets.

The grave-dancing here and support for violence (so long as Obama does it) is sickening.

[stuntcat]

87. totally

I know he had sooo much power and influence and that's why it the big news allll over the world now. But what about all the civilians who are killed and considered collateral damage?

What about the 40,000 people who'll starve to death today? It isn't considered a crime for the world to stand by letting this happen, or for lucky Americans to take so much food they make themselves sick.

No one will be considered Guilty of shooting and killing all those beautiful wild animals who were all just prisoners.

I have a feeling I'm going to hear way too much news the next few months on how exactly this one man's life was ended.. ended by the people he'd ruled for their whole lives, not like an assassination by an outside military.

(EDIT- ^THIS IS "GRAVE-DANCING" ? :eyes: )