I Simply Can't Trust Him

[lame54]

And that breaks my heart

[Occam Bandage]

1. So then don't.

It's healthier not to trust politicians, to say nothing of giving them your heart.

[lame54]

2. it may be healthier for me...

but the country is still rotting from the inside

for a brief time I thought that we were going to turn things around

now, I don't see that happening at all

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. We did.

360 degrees.

[lame54]

17. that's why I'm so dizzy

[polichick]

3. It would be crazy to trust him at this point. nt

[Alameda]

4. if it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true.

......I think he wants to do well, but he is a politician, and has to please a lot of people. Many who have no right to demand anything....like the bankers who caused so much trouble.

I really wanted Kucinich. I think most of us here wanted him, but he's not tall enough, he's not pretty enough. Obama is tall and handsome, he has a photogenic family and the right pedigree, so he's what we got. He said the right things, but we didn't listen to him about Afghanistan, or we overlooked it.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Trusting any one man is not the key to anything, as this is a passive emotion,

when one should be active in a constructive and meaningful way
instead.

What I will say is that I personally trust him more than many others,
including ALL of the media, most Anonymous people on the Internet,
and certainly more than most politicians that have come
before him.

No, we didn't elect Gil Scott Heron with a swagga that
will solve our problems for us, while we sit back
and point fingers as our main contribution; but than that should
have never been our expectation.

If everything happened exactly how you wished, the revolution would be televised,
we would be a socialist country, Dennis Kucinich would be President, and we
would have peace on earth and mercy towards all; good and bad.

Till then, "Rome wasn't built in a day, the shit we are facing didn't happen overnight,
and happy ending sitcoms are make believe and only play on our TeeVees".

[lame54]

6. I have no idea what you are talking about...

but it must be getting increasingly hard for you to blindly defend him

[JuniperLea]

12. You are contradicting yourself in one sentence...

How can you know if she is "blindly defending him" if you haven't the wherewithal to understand what she's saying? :shrug:

I take offense to the blindly defending bit, regardless. Just because someone doesn't see something, anything, from your own POV, it is in no way indicative of their "blindness."

[lame54]

16. everybody on this board knows it

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[Journeyman]

7. If you believed he was going to be Lincolnesque in any fashion. . .

you set yourself up for disappointment from the start.


"I may walk slow," Mr Lincoln opined, "but I don't walk back."

[lame54]

8. i didn't set myself up...

you can call me a sucker for believing in his campaign rhetoric

but don't absolve them from the message they willfully sold us

[BrklynLiberal]

23. A lot of us feel suckered right about now...

[Bandit]

9. They sold a message of Hope and Change

Hope has been smashed and Change well ....

[obxhead]

19. We're getting change.

The spare change that falls off the pallets of money being shipped to corporations and wealthy elite.

[Bluebear]

31. +++

[European Socialist]

11. I'm afraid he is more like Blogo than Lincoln--but still better than McCain.

[obxhead]

20. A soggy PB&J sandwich would be better than McCain.

I'm tired of this worthless analogy.

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[Coyote_Bandit]

14. Ummmm......

Trust is earned.

I've never trusted Obama because he's never earned my trust.

Likely never will given his past conduct.

[MrMickeysMom]

18. IBTL...

I'm still finishing a book on Lincoln and am puzzled...

But, as far as a broken heart, I think the only thing one should tie up as emotionally as THAT is one's own family and their future.

Once you focus on that, you won't waste further time making hay with the most powerful political position and the power of its current occupant over your heart.

Good luck.

[FiveGoodMen]

21. "one's own family and their future"

You reminded me of this:

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

-- Prime minister Margaret Thatcher, talking to Women's Own magazine, October 31 1987

[Bluebear]

27. IBTL based on what exactly?

[MrMickeysMom]

29. Based on recent mod squad decisions...

I sense, based on some locked threads that I've read surrounding how this seems to bate some arguments, that it may be.... nothing more

[treestar]

22. Oh for pete's sake

OTT. He's not your boyfriend.

No one asks you to "trust" a politician or have anything to do with your heart. You can only support the ones that support the same issues you do to the greatest extent possible.

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. I know your history on DU

Which was a great supporter

My daughter said in Denmark....

HE SOLD OUT TO THE CORPORATIONS IN ORDER TO SAVE HIMSELF
FROM THE CIA AND POWERS THAT CONTROL THIS NATION.

[DemocratAholic]

25. comparison to lincoln

Since you make the comparison to Lincoln with this image, I would note that Lincoln received a lot of criticism from within his own party (a faction of the Party referred to as "Radical Republicans") for not doing enough to free the slaves, thwarting emancipation efforts, opposing the use of black soldiers, and a reconstruction plan that was considered too lenient. They were highly critical of the Emancipation Proclamation because it only freed slaves in the Confederate States.

History has been very kind to Lincoln, but we hold Lincoln up to be more of an idealist than he actually was. He certainly compromised his own "ideals" on many occasions for the sake other goals, I guess you might say for the sake of keeping the Union together. It is my impression that restoring the Union was a much bigger concern to him than ending slavery. There were many Republicans who were quite unhappy with him and what they considered his lack of effort on the issue of slavery.

After Lincoln was killed, the "Radical Republicans" led the efforts to impeach Andrew Johnson. They did very badly at the polls after that, as much of the public considered their tactics to be too extreme.

I don't really have a point here. I'm just stating facts from history. I share your much of the disappointment. But I do think there is something to be learned from history, and we should be careful not to appear like the "Radical Republicans" from that time period, who ended up losing favor with voters because their tactics were viewed as too extreme. In the long run, they may have done more to hurt the party and the issues they cared about than help it.

[mstinamotorcity]

26. Probably don't trust yourself

If the pic is supposed to represent our President as a simulated late President, then I see why you are confused.

[Uben]

28. I don't share your disappointment

I respect your opinion because we all value our own opinions the most, but I am not disappointed in Obama. I can't help thinking back to the fall of 2008 when we were in a downward spiral. Experts were saying it would take 8-10 yrs for us climb out of the abyss we were descending into. Who would want to be president at a time when things looked so dire? I admired all the candidates for even putting themselves forward!

I didn't expect Obama to do much because congress has been so divided and a president alone cannot legislate laws. But, he managed several astounding victories. Working with a republican party who pledged to say no to everything, one has to expect there are going to be some things we simply will not get.

I never put Obama on a pedestal so high that he couldn't fail. He's a man, no different than myself. We should always expect some let downs.

A lot of folks feel "sold out". They feel Obama didn't fight hard enough. They also did not have to walk in Obama's shoes while he was trying to give us HCR, Fincial reform, and now, a tax bill. I see a man working as hard he can to be a good president, to get as much as he can for us, while he can. Everything will require negotiating if it is to become law.

I didn't even support Obama in the primaries. I was an avid Clinton supporter. But, I don't think she could have done any better.

I do know a unified party is stronger than a divided one.

And that means we need to put a bandage on this wound and get back to the battlefield. The war is still raging!

[GeorgeGist]

30. With one hand he freed the slaves ...

and with the other he enslaved a nation.