This should piss off everyone

[kpete]

[Autumn]

1. It sure pisses me off

K/R

[RKP5637]

2. Yep!!! n/t

[TheWraith]

3. It pisses off me, because it overstates the intellect and legitimacy of the Tea Party. nt

[JVS]

8. +1 Also, dear cartoonist, tell us something we don't already know!

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. But it accurately reflects their ability to vote. n/t

[redqueen]

16. Exactly. How often does the Tea Party criticize the Citizens United decision? (nt)

[JDPriestly]

48. The Tea-Baggers aren't literate enough to understand it.

And those who fund and organize their movement are too rich to want to change it.

[redqueen]

57. BS. What's hard to understand about more corporate money in elections?

They agree with those who fund their movement. That's what those pushing this "we're all the same!" meme seem to want to overlook.

[Enthusiast]

52. NEVER

The Tea Party is the purest BULLSHIT.

[redqueen]

58. It is. It's a tiny amount of people...

who have a more favorable opinion of bankers and the like... who openly disparage anything that helps the poor... who argue that millionaires should pay any more in taxes than they do now, and in fact they should pay LESS... yet somehow it's SOOOOOO important that we bend over backwards not to offend them.

Yeah, right.

[bjobotts]

67. The size of governmnt is the goal to repubs.Solutions come first to dems,size is secondary

[Erose999]

19. Indeed, the Tea Party is all for gov't authoritarianism against the poor/non-whites/non-xians, gays.

and women's reproductive choices. Anything that doesn't fit the fundie agenda they are attempting to persecute.

They stand more for prejudices than principles.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

62. Me too. lol nt

[RoccoR5955]

4. Tis better to be pissed off.

...than it is to be pissed on.

Right now corporations are pissing on all of us. Glad to see than OWS people are out there educating the rest of the 99%.

[Enrique]

5. this cuts through a lot of the crap that's out there

a big part of the Tea Party was the elites dividing the 99%, and it's clear their strategy to defeat OWS is also to divide the 99% ("we are the 53%" for example).

It makes a lot of sense for OWS to try to unite the 99% wherever they can.

[applegrove]

6. This graph equates the two sides with each other. Not true. Tea baggers are full of shit!

[Jakes Progress]

7. All but about 1%

[mindwalker_i]

9. The tea party started with a legitimate gripe

Bailouts of banks and wall street, I can understand. Unfortunately they're too stupid from being diverted into supporting the people who caused it all in the first place. If you don't direct your outrage, somebody else will, and for their own benefit.

[Luminous Animal]

13. Nope. Their original gripe was mortgage relief. Santelli went on a rant about paying for others

"irresponsibility" and the already registered Tea Party websites were up in a flash. So, the Tea Party started because the 1% wanted to divert anger towards the victims of their recklessness and fraud.

[redqueen]

17. No, they didn't.

http://www.alternet.org/media/129656

[MrMickeysMom]

10. I think if there are any thinking people left in this tea party...

they may understand things better when it's made simpler using a ven diagram.

I ain't holding my breath, though...

[DCKit]

11. save as "common ground.jpg". nt

[wickerwoman]

12. The problem is that you address corporations that are "too big to fail"

with regulation and taxation which the Tea Party will never support.

So starting off the journey to fix the damage of 30 years of deregulation by finding common ground with people who are never going to accept the obvious solution is a pointless exercise.

The last three years are just a symptom of the larger disease which is Reagan/Thatcherism and the belief that there is no such thing as "society" just a bunch of individuals who should be free to do whatever they like. We don't cure the disease unless we have an honest conversation about what the purpose of government is and what it is entitled to do.

[redqueen]

18. Exactly, you can't solve the problems by removing regulations,

shrinking government even further, and ending corporate taxes or whatever other itesms on their corporate-written wishlist they seem to believe would make things better.

Their non-solutions are written down for them BY big business... until they realize that they will never want to join us because we are fighting for more regulation, which to them is just more 'big government'.

[JDPriestly]

51. Without corporate financing and lobbying Congress all the time,

there would be effective regulation and more just taxation.

So, if you back ending corporate meddling and control of politics, then you back regulation and more just taxation.

[vanbean]

15. Thanks, Kpete.

[occupyeverywhere]

20. Spread it around

If OWS can win over members of the Tea Party that would be an amazing coup d'etat.

[Erose999]

21. The "Tea Party" is a creation of the 1% and the corporations. It would not exist on its own merits

without corporate sponsorship.

[tavalon]

22. This is why this isn't a left vs. right issue or a Democrat vs. Republican

[patrice]

23. Proof that President Obama must be doing something right, everyone, Left to Right, is angry at him.

[KoKo]

59. well....I guess that's one way of looking at it....n/t

[wial]

64. evidence, perhaps, certainly not proof

and I tend to find the evidence unconvincing. I still hold out hope for Obama, and we could do a lot worse, but we need someone who recognizes the basic fallacy of neoliberal ideology, not someone who embraces it as Obama does.

If you want to get to the stars, use astronomy, not astrology. Neoliberalism is stupid evil astrology that serves only the very rich and their toadies.

[harmonicon]

24. Bullshit. The "tea party" don't give a damn about big government.

W increased the size of the federal government more than anyone since FDR. Where was the outrage then? They hate black people, and poor people other than them (especially if they're black) getting any benefit from the government, because if they can't have it, then no one should.

People need to stop parroting their talking points. The group was created by cable news, for god's sake.

[KansDem]

25. Agreed...

When I hear someone claim "they hate government," I ask them, "Do you mean 'corporate-owned government' that seeks to make you its serf? or government 'of, for, and by the people?'" and if they say "yes" to the latter, I ask them, "Why do you hate your fellow Americans?" for government "of, for, and by the people" is what the Constitution and democracy is all about."

I think we need to be clear as to what "government" means to these people...

[HughBeaumont]

31. "Government" to TeaHadists, is dog-whistle for "Tax-n-Spend-o-Crats".

That's really what they WANT to say, completely glossing over the fact that Republicans are ALSO in congress (currently a majority in the house and from 1994-2006) and also participate actively in "GUbmint".

They aren't fooling anyone.

[ErikJ]

41. +1

"Do you mean 'corporate-owned government' that seeks to make you its serf? or government 'of, for, and by the people?'"

Thanks, I'll have to put that in my quiver.

[patrice]

26. +111111111111111111111

[redqueen]

29. Well said! (nt)

[Hubert Flottz]

27. K&R

[WillyT]

28. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

:kick:

[Desertrose]

30. K&R

Great graphic!!

[AlbertCat]

32. You left out one of the main complaints of the Teabaggers.

There's a black man in the White House.

All that other stuff is too complicated. It makes their heads ache.

[humanityisfree]

33. Time to UNIFY

Perfect! Its time to #Unify
great graphic - great way to explain what is happening to (nearly) all of us in the US.
TIME TO UNIFY

[ehrnst]

36. Not possible: They want to "Take America Back" from the demographic at OWS.

Many Baggers don't see past Obama's complexion. As long as Gov't is caucasian they don't seem to about who is or isn't really running things.

They want to "Take America Back" from the demographic at OWS. They want a white government.

[ehrnst]

34. It only pisses off baggers when there's a 'colored boy' in the White House. (nt)

[Jim_Shorts]

35. Sorry, I'm not ready to sing kumbaya with a teavangelical

The graphic leaves out the fact that teabaggers are all republicans and nary a black among them and besides ...

there is no cure for stupid

[ehrnst]

37. Yes - They mock progressives - which are the core of OWS. They HATE change when it's not white. (nt)

[Uncle Joe]

43. Then stay divided along racial or party affiliation lines and be consumed.

The PTBs that run the scam which the OP accurately illustrates would be more than happy for each party to stay in their own camps because they're too white, too black, too Republican, too Democrat, too anything except too aware of what's happening.

[Jim_Shorts]

49. There is a reason the country is so f***ed up

Do you think that there is any thing you could say to Sarah Palin that would promote the growth of more brain cells? Teavangelicals are not going to budge off the "big government is the problem" stance at the same time they are collecting their Social security checks because they are not capable of thinking for themselves. You can't fix stupid.

The teabaggers are already doing some anti-OWS activity and you can be sure it will only intensify.

[Uncle Joe]

53. You can't "fix stupid" but you can enlighten the ignorant and people come to enlightenment

at different times.

I don't believe there is any hope for Palin, but that's not the case for all groups of people, no matter their group, liberal SC Justice Hugo Black was formerly a member of the KKK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Black

I believe you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar and writing groups of people off because of their misguided beliefs instead of working to educate them only serves the corporate supremacist PTBs' interest in keeping the people and their representative government divided and weak.

[Jim_Shorts]

54. Your time will be better spent trying to "enlighten" a moderate or someone with an open mind

As soon as the next teabagger protest pops up right across the street from an OWS gathering, go try the flies with honey speech on them and tell us how many Hugo Blacks you bring back with you.

99.9% baggers are by their very nature, close minded and immovable.

There is another saying:
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

[Uncle Joe]

56. You seem to have an open mind; using your reason and objective criteria to make logical decisions,

so tell me where did you get your 99.9% figure?

[Jim_Shorts]

61. Tell me, have you ever changed the mind of a tea bagger?

If you can't cite a case that you personally witnessed a bagger "seeing the light" then you can't disprove the 99.9 figure.

* I know some teabaggers and for them to change their views would be extremely sacrilegious. (will never happen)

* I used articles like this to get a pretty good profile: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928

* And when someone tells me a story how Hugo Black was converted from the KKK, then deduct tea baggers can also be converted, I question their logic. Hugo Black never truly sympathized with the KKK. :)
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Running for the Senate as the "people's" candidate, Black believed he needed the votes of Klan members. Black would near the end of his life admit that joining the Klan was a mistake, but said "I would have joined any group if it helped get me votes."<12>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Black#KKK_and_anti-Catholicism
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[Uncle Joe]

63. To the contrary, Hugo Black's initial selfish motivation matches up perfectly with the

the selfish motivations of the Tea Party people in the Rolling Stone article, looking out for themselves first.

"Let me get this straight," I say to David. "You've been picking up a check from the government for decades, as a tax assessor, and your wife is on Medicare. How can you complain about the welfare state?"

"Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."

"But," I protest, "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"

"Yeah," he says, "but I don't make very much." Vast forests have already been sacrificed to the public debate about the Tea Party: what it is, what it means, where it's going. But after lengthy study of the phenomenon, I've concluded that the whole miserable narrative boils down to one stark fact: They're full of shit. All of them. At the voter level, the Tea Party is a movement that purports to be furious about government spending — only the reality is that the vast majority of its members are former Bush supporters who yawned through two terms of record deficits and spent the past two electoral cycles frothing not about spending but about John Kerry's medals and Barack Obama's Sixties associations. The average Tea Partier is sincerely against government spending — with the exception of the money spent on them. In fact, their lack of embarrassment when it comes to collecting government largesse is key to understanding what this movement is all about — and nowhere do we see that dynamic as clearly as here in Kentucky, where Rand Paul is barreling toward the Senate with the aid of conservative icons like Palin.

Furthermore if you read page 2 of the Rolling Stone Article, it matches up well with another post I made on this thread about how some of the legitimate concerns or fears of the Tea Party were misdirected by the corporate media, they were and are brainwashed to support a corporate supremacist agenda whether their initial motivations were legit or selfish, it makes no difference, they're being used or manipulated to work against their own best interests.

Edit to add my post #45.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2179397&mesg_id=2182699

[Jim_Shorts]

66. I think you give the teabaggers too much credit

Here are the words of the MinistryofTruth (an organizer of OWS):
You want to know the difference between the Tea Paryy and Occupy Wall Street, in my honest opinion? #OWS has a library, the tea party voted to cut spending to libraries. #OWS is about going into the future, whereas the tea party was about going back to the past. #OWS is about fighting AGAINST lobbyists and powerful special interests, whereas the Tea Party was about fighting for them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/15/1026678/-I-dont-remember-anyone-asking-about-who-funded-the-tea-party
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I agree with most of what you say Joe, and have made posts about the teaparty being co-opted by Freedom Works but on most issues the difference between the Teabaggers and OWS are like the difference between day and night.

[Uncle Joe]

68. Then let us go back to the OP, does it make sense to you?

In other words, do you need to sing "Kumbaya" with Palin or the Koch Brothers in order to communicate the center graph message of there being a common greater enemy to the average "teabagger?"

I don't believe we have to give the average person, Tea Party member or otherwise "much credit" in order for them to understand that message, we just have to be sincere and civil.

We certainly won't influence all of them and maybe not even a majority but I do believe we can convince a sizable % to break away and I see no reason not to try as it will take sizable numbers of the American People to overcome the even more sizable amount of dollars held by the unenlightened 1%.

It all comes down to redirecting the energy of their legitimate fears and anger; to the appropriate avenue.

[Jim_Shorts]

70. Should I start from the beginning lol?

I hear you, you want to be inclusive.

You and I are on the same side, we are just arguing about what it takes to get there.:)

[gauguin57]

38. Color me pissed!

If you're not pissed, you're not paying attention.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. The fucking teabaggers want to put gays & women who use birth control in prison.

don't give me the crap about how those god-bags are 'concerned about government taking away freedoms'.. :eyes: unless it's the freedom to stockpile automatic weapons in the basement, they don't give a shit.

[ErikJ]

40. Can somebody put this in text to post it

in message boards that dont take text or links? My typing sucks.

[Uncle Joe]

42. Kicked and recommended for connecting the dots.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.:thumbsup:

[Populist_Prole]

44. Thanks. Definitely worth saving that graphic. Although.....

As many others here so astutely pointed out, the whole teabagger worry about big government is a red-herring. It's just a specious point to lend legitimacy to their group so they don't have to say they're just ignorant reactionary curmudgeons.

[Uncle Joe]

45. That is a legitimate concern that has been warped by the corporate media.

A big brother, all intrusive, draconian government would be a major concern or primitive fear for most anyone, but the corporate media takes that natural instinct and redirects the fear energy which frames or brain washes the people.

In the case of the tea baggers maximizing or focusing the fear toward financial independence and religious structure while minimizing the fear of corporate oppression and individual body integrity.

[Rex]

46. That would have pissed me off if it was something new I didn't

know about. Sadly, I've known what the cartoon reflects since I was 13 years old. Everyone should be pissed off that the govt and big biz are pretty much the same entity with revolving doors. Us workers are not really a part of the system, we help maintain it for the wealthy.

[tblue]

47. I'm not a good chart-reader, but it pisses me off anyway.

[flakey_foont]

50. yep

[Mosaic]

55. We need an Ammendment to Stop This

Not only that, I'm all for modernizing all of the constitution, clarifying the second amendment as only for militias, and other things FDR wanted like economic justice.

[Deep13]

60. Interesting, but I wish there were sources cited for the figures given. nt

[Major Hogwash]

65. If our government wasn't corrupt, more people would vote.

But, since the masses are asses, they'll vote any which way the mainstream media tells them to.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. fucking A. finally, a diagram to show what I have been trying to explain

to the average Joe Shmoe.

[Doctor_J]

71. This toon pisses me off

the baggers are just another phony outgrowth of the repukes. None of them has had a fresh thought on any issue.

[kimsarah]

72. Obama hires ex-lobbyist

to be senior adviser to his re-election campaign:
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/189357-obama-campaign-brings-on-ex-lobbyist-as-senior-advisor

[orbitalman]

73. Truly K & R