Was the police crack down of dissent in Oakland the governments way of

[Arctic Dave]

the middle class to "stay in line"?

Did the government view the OWS movement as a true threat if the "everyday people" started to get more involved. Not that didn't support the movement but actually became more intwined in the day to day activities?

It seems neither party had control over it so they instigated this "nip it in the bud" offensive?

To spitballing for ideas of why such a brutal crackdown. Your thoughts.

[Lil Missy]

1. It only speaks of Oakland, not the entire Federal Gov't. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

2. Some here are claiming the the multiple crackdowns were coordinated at the Federal level

Not agreeing or disagreeing, but the assertion is out there.

[sharp_stick]

4. Some here also proclaim the prevalence of chemtrails

just saying that "some here" aren't necessarily all that lucid.

[frazzled]

8. Yes, and some are guilty of "Blog Breakdown" right-hand third

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. And some of us said that it looks

Like coordination, and I don't need the Feds. Governors have phones and emails. At times the simplest test of occam's is indeed if it looks and quacks like a duck, I swear it's not an eagle.

[tk2kewl]

16. it isn't as far fetched as one might think

you've got CIA in the NYPD http://news.yahoo.com/whats-cia-doing-nypd-depends-whom-ask-073510053.html

and every major city has been getting DHS money funneled into their PDs since 9/11. This money has been used for equipment and training and who knows what else.

DHS prepared a paper "for Use in National, Federal, State, and Local Homeland Security Preparedness Activities" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3804290&mesg_id=3804290

[jeff47]

24. Then the crackdowns would be happening everywhere, not in a few cities. (nt)

[Arctic Dave]

5. It only takes one to send the message.

Seems the majority are being shut down by the local government for mi or infractions, not to mention the instant undermining of the message since it started.

[OHdem10]

3. That is an Oakland Problem, it seems. In Columbus Ohio the

Protestors have praised how they have been treated by
Police.

[Arctic Dave]

6. Ohio has tried to shut them down?

Still, doesn't answer my question of trying to keep the MC from joining in more.

[Starry Messenger]

13. For now...

[AngkorWot]

7. If they wanted to silence dissent, wouldn't they crack down on the protest?

Rather than just the overnight camping? They're not silencing the actual protests during the day, and there's nothing stopping people from leaving at night and coming back the next day.

[Arctic Dave]

9. Really?

I did not know the First Amendment had a curfew? So we can only speak our minds and assemble when they say we can?

And, they are not "camping".

[workinclasszero]

11. Thats right. No constitutional rights after sundown.

I'm sure that's what the radical founding fathers had in mind, eh?

[AngkorWot]

17. "they are not camping"

Then what's with all the tents? I don't think the first amendment applies to camping in the middle of town.

[Arctic Dave]

18. It is a called an "occupation".

Should they build condos instead?

And first amendment does apply.

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. People are moving their bank accounts. This has to have alarmed someone.

[Arctic Dave]

14. That is another question that pops into my head.

What will the banks do if large amounts of people do move their accounts. Will they call a bank run and shut you out?

[Fire Walk With Me]

19. Since an international Transfer Day has been called, I would suspect that they'll do something to

attempt to block it. Which of course would be even more reason for even more people to move their accounts.

[Taverner]

15. To be honest, this is all about crushing California as a distinct culture

The DEA raids, the crushing of Occupy SF and Oakland, etc...

It sucks when we lose when we win...

[Arctic Dave]

20. I think this goes beyond California.

As someone asked the question earlier, Why Oakland?

I am beginning to think it was because Oakland is always portrayed as a gang infested ghetto in the media full of troublemakers. So if they bust some heads and destroy their property people won't mind too much. After all, their a bunch of thugs.

[Taverner]

22. You might be right. Of course, the police in CA have often brutalized protestors.

During the Rodney King riots, they actually spurred more violence.

The cops remember (or have read about) the sixties, and so they see ALL protests as an excuse to bust heads

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. Oakland and California culture

Now that is not something you see intertwined every day.

[deutsey]

23. As another DU'er has pointed out about Homeland Security

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2189021

A recent Report of the Homeland Security Council entitled Planning Scenarios describes in minute detail, the Bush administration's preparations in the case of a terrorist attack by an outside enemy called the Universal Adversary (UA).

The Universal Adversary, is identified in the scenarios as an abstract entity used for the purposes of simulation. Yet upon more careful examination, this Universal Adversary is by no means illusory. It includes the following categories of potential "conspirators":


"foreign terrorists" ,

"domestic radical groups", (antiwar and civil rights groups)

"state sponsored adversaries" ("rogue states", "unstable nations")

"disgruntled employees" (labor and union activists).


According to the Planning Scenarios Report :

"Because the attacks could be caused by foreign terrorists; domestic radical groups; state sponsored adversaries; or in some cases, disgruntled employees, the perpetrator has been named, the Universal Adversary (UA). The focus of the scenarios is on response capabilities and needs, not threat-based prevention activities."

[Arctic Dave]

25. Well. Yesterday a poster asked "what would be the reason to do this".

It would appear that the reason they would do this is becuase they think we are they enemy.

[deutsey]

26. To "them", we are the enemy...an enemy that must be tightly controlled. n/t

[Fumesucker]

27. As I pointed out in another thread, it's more like gravity..

In that you can predict the orbit of a planet to a high degree of precision without knowing the absolute position and velocity of any particle within that planet.

It's just the elite acting in predictable ways, there may be some coordination at the top but there doesn't really need to be, this stuff will happen without it as TPTB become nervous.