There's something weird happening at Occupy Denver.

[EFerrari]

They are under attack right now. That's not the weird part.

They are really aggressive verbally and vocally. They're taunting the police. I'd bet my dog that group has been infiltrated because they don't sound like any of the occupations I've watched or listened to.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/standupdenver

[Riley18]

1. Maybe to take the focus off the marine. Then they can get

the tanks and other stuff.

[ixion]

2. This type of behavior seems to be suddenly erupting from several Occupy Camps

which leads me to believe it's orchestrated.

[EFerrari]

5. Where else have you seen it?

These guys were cussing and name calling right into their live stream. And taunting the cops in the front line to respond to them in an ugly way. They were making soundbites. :shrug:

[ixion]

8. Oakland and NYC

is where I've seen similar reports.

The cops in Oakland used it as an excuse to reign hell down on Occupy Oakland.

[EFerrari]

12. I haven't seen much NYC.

But I didn't get this vibe from Oakland. They were chanting but they weren't trying to pull a reaction -- at least in the clips I watched.

[ixion]

17. there was a report on a 'part' of Zucatti Park being dangerous

I don't know how much truth there is to that, though, since I'm not there.

[EFerrari]

20. The USA Today story linked to an error message at NY Daily News

and I've heard no buzz about that at all. :shrug:

[ixion]

29. looks like maybe a smear job...

a google search doesn't turn up much....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=zuccotti+park&oq=zuc&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=841862l844395l0l847410l5l5l1l0l0l0l348l636l0.2.0.1l3l0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&gl=us&tbm=nws&source=hp&q=zuccotti+park+dangerous&pbx=1&oq=zuccotti+park+dangerous&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=52590l54166l0l54372l10l9l0l0l0l0l332l1911l1.4.2.2l9l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=9386ab4c93940073&biw=1189&bih=605

[EFerrari]

31. It was picked up in freeperdom but I dont think it was a real story

at New York Daily News. USA Today's stuff was thin and the video was about the cold, not fights. lol

[Hissyspit]

40. It's almost assuredly nonsense. The park is very small.

[gateley]

3. Is it the majority of the group that's doing this? Generally

I've read where the people go to great pains to quell any outbursts like this.

This is scary. Doesn't sound like the "real" 99% folks at all.

I'm going to go to a better computer and check out the link. I'm so sorry to hear this.

[mahina]

I bet you are right because it does us no good at all to be like that., and the anti's know it.

How other groups have isolated instigators is to call out 'False, False', alert the group, isolate them and neutralize them.

Hope all goes well!

[EFerrari]

6. Oakland didn't sound anywhere near like this after hours

of being raided, arrested, having the camp trashed and then gassed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. The question is what took them so long?

It's standard and shit

[chill_wind]

11. Agree it only seemed a matter of time, Still I dread the notion. And

what is the solution? How do they combat this internally?

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Sit down, lock arms

Scream shame at these guys and refuse to take bait.

[redqueen]

14. +1

[EFerrari]

7. "More cowards with guns have arrived" -- loudly, gleefully.

"Fucking chickenshits".

Right into the mic?

:shrug:

[greyl]

10. Are you talking about the vid that's 8:06 long linked in your OP? nt

[EFerrari]

16. I'm talking about what StandUpDenver is streaming now.

I can't tell if it's a loop. ETA: Okay, it is a loop.

[originalpckelly]

9. Ron Paul?

[Rick Myers]

13. The stream makes it look pretty volitile...

Some one called the cops 'cowards with guns,' not a good sign. Most of crowd totally peaceful, but there seems to be some provocateurs, including a guy in a Ron Paul campaign shirt.

[EFerrari]

28. Have to go watch carefully. I was going on the audio

and it sounded out of control to me.

Well, whatever is happening over there, they will either get it handled or they won't. :)

[madamesilverspurs]

15. Only thing on Denver television

is effing football. And dialup doesn't let me watch anything on the computer.

PLEASE keep us updated!

[EFerrari]

25. If you go on Twitter, there will be updates there.

http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyDenver

I don't mean to stir anything up. As long as police are used instead of dialog to deal with occupations, people will make mistakes. And the PTB will try to infiltrate, too. It comes with the territory, I guess.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. I am not there

But occupiers seat down, lock arms, point at infiltrators, do some shame screams, and then break into we shall overcome. This is one way to defeat this.

[lunatica]

19. If this is infiltration OWS will come up with a strategy to deal with it

I'm confident. They're fluid and changeable due to brainstorming during their general assembly meetings. They're fast learners.

[EFerrari]

22. True.

[txwhitedove]

23. Saw one person like that at Occupy Austin 2-wkends ago. Yelling and spitting into a

big movie camera, with shaved head and a tooth missing. When I said something calming to him he got into my face. When I continued saying he shouldn't yell, he stomped off with camera following, while the rest of the group stayed in front of Chase Bank - thought that was odd. I told my grown kids that we don't want that kind of OWS representation.

[EFerrari]

33. The odd person with poor social skills is one thing.

Having two or three people at it amplifies and is what caught my attention earlier because at other places, when one person went off or started to go out of bounds, the others would handle it. That wasn't happening here. Whatever.

[txwhitedove]

35. Agree. But the camera was following this person specifically, and not a

news camera. I thought it was me who calmed him down, but now realize it must have been my 6ft-2 son standing behind me.

[EFerrari]

37. LOL! I have one of those. They come in handy, don't they?

:hi:

I've got to run an errand for about 15 minutes. BRB.

[bananas]

24. The stream isn't working for me - says "Channel is offline". nt

[EFerrari]

26. Here's their twitter timeline. I don't know how/why they went off line.

will have to go back and read. You can reload the last loop, I think.

http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyDenver

[greyl]

27. Occupywallstnyc is streaming Denver right now.

http://www.livestream.com/occupywallstnyc

[EFerrari]

30. Thanks.

[Douglas Carpenter]

38. thanks..I got it now..but frankly don't see anything unusual so far

http://www.livestream.com/occupywallstnyc

.

[greyl]

43. Me neither. Must have been a short-lived disruption.

Things are dynamic as hell, so can change at any moment.

[EFerrari]

51. Could be.

I guess I was shocked because these folks were getting up into the faces of Denver PD in riot gear which seems like a bad idea. :)

[EFerrari]

47. Go look at the loop at the link in the OP.

And I don't know what that link that greyl posted was for. I'm at a different one now that it not the same place.

[Douglas Carpenter]

52. back online again after being down for awhile..not much seems to be happening

http://www.livestream.com/occupywallstnyc



/

[Truth2Tell]

41. The cameraman mentioned several times

that he was running low on battery power.

[EFerrari]

50. Or maybe he only mentioned it once over and over. :)

[madamesilverspurs]

32. Somebody, please narrate...

can't watch livestream due to dialup, and I've not ever used twitter.

[EFerrari]

36. I'm not sure what I'm watching at the moment or I would.

Earlier, I saw the beginning of a raid and a few people at Occupy Denver barely holding it together. Then that stream went out. This one sounds like a different calmer place. I'm confused at this point. Those popping off people went somewhere.

I think this is now a good link for Denver:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupydenver303

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupydenver303

[EFerrari]

44. It looks like a rep from the occupation and someone in a suit

are talking about de-escalation.

And in response to that call, aggressive callbacks from two or three, "We are non-violent".

My belly is flipping, sorry guys.

I don't know if this is meth or infiltration or hormones or what, but there is something wrong here.

It looks like the city sent someone to negotiate, it looks like the person who takes charge is trying to make it work. But I can hear two or three assholes in the background, shit stirring. :shrug:

ETA: before I started watching, read reports of weapons used on the occupation. I haven't confirmed those, so I don't know if it's true but it probably is.

[ehrnst]

34. I think that the powers that be are now changing tactics.

Scott Walker said they had considered as much in Madison.

[Hissyspit]

39. Another rec for this, please:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5042335

[EFerrari]

49. #6

[SoDesuKa]

42. Would Your Dog Take The Bet?

I'd bet my dog that group has been infiltrated . . . .

The dog might take the bet, depending on the odds . . .

[EFerrari]

53. Does it smell like beef? :-)

[Fozzledick]

45. I was wondering what the next tactic would be

First they tried ignoring them, the usual media blackout.

When that didn't work, they switched to vilification and gross distortion. That didn't work either.

Then they tried intimidation with physical violence. That backfired big-time.

So now they appear to be using infiltration with agents provocateurs. More standard operating procedure that's usually worked in the past, but nothing seems to be working this time.

[JI7]

46. Anarchists ?

[EFerrari]

48. No. They tend to be much more honest than this. :)

[McCamy Taylor]

54. I agree. This is Wall Street fighting back. Easy to plant agitators. Occupy MUST go passive.

[louslobbs]

55. The corporate/political operatives are planted almost everywhere waiting for their orders from

those in power who will do everything and anything they think they can get away with in order to protect the status quo that so easily allows them to enrich themselves to continue the cycle of buying and maintaining power to further enrich themselves.

You assist an unjust administration most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil administration never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil.
A good person will resist an evil system with his whole soul. Disobedience of the laws of an evil state is therefore a duty. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, Non-Violent Resistance

Lou

[PETRUS]

56. Some of the plants and provocateurs in NYC

...are hilariously obvious. But I have no doubt there are quiet, patient operatives who are ready to cause trouble at the right moment. Can't comment on other occupations.

[Slit Skirt]

57. I was there..no one was provoking the police

all of a sudden they surrounded us in riot gear...sheer intimidation. They entered the protesters' space, for not reason.