Americans Would Pick Reagan Over FDR

[WI_DEM]

(a lot of dumb people out there):

A new 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll finds Americans would choose Ronald Reagan over Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 36% to 29%, as the past president they would want in the White House in these trying times. Thomas Jefferson came in third place with 14% from a... Full Article at Taegan Goddard's Political Wire

http://features.rr.com/article/0bqG8l2adc0cE?q=Ronald+Reagan

[Uncle Joe]

1. The product of corporate media brainwashing and the power of top down, one way

God like power of television.

Thanks for the thread, WI_DEM.

[Cal33]

19. I agree with you, Uncle Joe. There are too many people brain-washed by the

propaganda and lying of the right-wingers in this country of ours.
Who can estimate how much damage these psychopaths have done and
are continuing to do to our country in so many different ways?

America's greatest enemies are not necessarily from abroad. Many
of them are right here, with us.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. I think RR's popularity will wane with passing generations.

It's been less than 25 years since RR seduced the American electorate. Not enough time has tarnished the result of his policies.

[Eric J in MN]

3. Just a web poll. Not scientific. NT

NT

[WI_DEM]

7. Why do you say it's a web poll? According to the article it isn't

This poll was conducted at the CBS News interviewing facility among a random sample of 1,012 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone September 28—October 2, 2011. Some low-percentage answer choices have been omitted.

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2011/12/60-minutes-poll-201112#slide=1

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2011/12/60-minutes-poll-201112#slide=7

[Eric J in MN]

44. OK.

It was my impression that it was a web-poll from this page asking visitors to vote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-20127232/60-minutes-vanity-fair-poll-november-edition/

[deutsey]

4. They'd pick the guy who helped create "these trying times" we're in. Wonderful.

:evilfrown:

[redqueen]

10. Yep. Idiocracy. (nt)

[KansDem]

5. Good! With The Gipper in charge, we could go after the real terrorists!

Trees that cause pollution!

"Death to the Tree-aban!!!"


Praise CO2!

[joeybee12]

6. Well, a lot of the brain-dead who voted for Reagan are still alive...

that will change.

[loyalsister]

26. So would a lot of Xers whose parents were able to capitalize on development

I grew up in an expanding suburb. A lot of people did very well building and selling real estate during the mid- late 80s. Small construction businesses even did well during that time. Many xers see the president of the time as the responsible for the $ that put them through college. That was the dinner table discussion when their families talked about the first in their families to go to college.
Not everyone is a political junkie. Many developed loyalty to what they heard growing up.

[riderinthestorm]

8. Jeez, if this doesn't make you stop and pause in horror for a moment, you aren't paying attention.

Americans have got to be some of the stupidest voters ever. I know, the campaign to prop up St Ronnie has been in full swing for decades now but still, you'd think most Americans would have figured this out by now.

[Zoeisright]

9. Then Americans are stupid.

Of course, we already knew that.

[Douglas Carpenter]

11. now that is scary...Reagan was a doddering old simpleton who made being dumb and selfish respectable

I suppose the public persona of his Presidency was in effect, "The Ronald Reagan Show." The public or at least large parts of the docile majority were bamboozled by the Hollywood creation and could not distinguish the image from real life any more than Reagan himself could tell the difference between the real world and make believe.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. H.L. Mencken was right.

We've now endured at least two morons and both served 2 terms. Ronnie and Dubya.

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken

[FSogol]

14. Groucho Marx was right also.

We've now endured at least two idiots and both served 2 terms. Ronnie and Dubya.

"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot."

[cordelia]

13. I have never understood

the appeal of that imbecile.

[newspeak]

18. because after reagan's death

the repugs and pr industries went into full image mode. They made St. Ronnie after his death. And the plebes ate it up, instead of remembering the damage St. Ronnie caused economically and internationally.

[WCGreen]

29. I was in a coma when he died....

I was pissed off I missed it all...

[newspeak]

15. just shows we got a lot of plebes

that love getting trickled on by their masters. When Reagan was president, I remember amnesty international declaring him one of the bloodiest presidents especially because of his actions in central america with the death squads.

[Historic NY]

16. They would choose the guy who started this mess.......the brain dead... .

still waiting for the trickle down effect.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Ironic, no?

[laundry_queen]

17. To be fair

I'm guessing most Americans don't even know who FDR is or what he did. They remember Reagan, therefore they pick him. Not rocket science. Pick a well known celebrity over a not so well known genius/saint and the celebrity will win every time. People are stooopid.

[Huey P. Long]

20. My assesment as well. FDR? Who's that? Flower deliverer? -eom

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. You could have a point there.

[loyalsister]

27. Exactly

Reagan was president during the early- mid adult years of the baby boomers and the first the xers knew.

[redqueen]

33. Parents who don't teach their children history are failing them.

Schools present only a very basic and whitewashed version. And you know what they say about those who don't learn from history...

[loyalsister]

35. Some parents who do teach their children history

wind up giving them information that is at least as omissive or inaccurate.

[redqueen]

41. Yes, some fail in that way as well.

Christ, you'd think people couldn't read. :grr:

[loyalsister]

45. I wonder what the comparison between Reagan and JFK

Presidents have been so romanticized.

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[zbdent]

22. come now ... you expect the American population to pick a slick, well-polished Hollywood actor

over a guy in a wheelchair?

:sarcasm:

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. My teapublican neighbor would. He says reagan was the greatest prez we ever had

and I won't repeat what he has to say about FDR.

[libertypirate]

28. Only because brain washing (marketing) works, and

because we will repeat the same history we were supposed to learn in school.
Basically and if republicans didn't gush all over his corpse they would hear what we all really felt.

[kentuck]

30. Americans are stupid.

What more proof do you need??

[socialist_n_TN]

31. A 36% PLURALITY would pick Reagan

over FDR at 29% IN THIS ONE POLL. Third place goes to a radical named Thomas Jefferson at 14%. Why does this surprise anyone? That's approximately the SAME percentage that goes for reactionary politicians in every election. The majority would still be ABR (Anybody But Reagan).

[woo me with science]

32. For the same reason that more Americans will self-identify in polls as conservative than liberal,

but when asked about specific POLICIES always fall on the liberal side.

This is the power of rhetoric over substance.

I'd like to see this poll taken again, but asking Americans to choose between specific POLICIES favored by FDR versus Reagan.

[socialist_n_TN]

37. Yep. That's a VERY good point. As I recall

even during Reagan's terms, people liked him, but did NOT like his policies.

[TwilightGardener]

34. Is anyone surprised that Americans' grasp of history is influenced by RW teevee and radio?

If your history knowledge is shaky already (and that defines most Americans), it's not too hard to fill people full of bullshit.

[yurbud]

36. if you asked people old enough to remember FDR, it would be no contest.

[TwilightGardener]

40. I would hope so. But I really think it has more to do with the incessant

legend-building the GOP has done with Reagan, even more than personal memory. He's got shit named after him far more than he deserved, for example. GOPers are downright reverent. This will naturally affect the opinion of ordinary non-political citizens, who pick up by osmosis that this was somehow a great man.

[yurbud]

47. if you removed identifying information and asked them to pick based solely on their record....

it would be a nice contrast to the name recognition result.

[redqueen]

43. Is it too much to expect people to read, though?

I mean this is important stuff, right? Those who don't learn from history and all that?

[TwilightGardener]

46. I think that's too much to hope for.

[socialist_n_TN]

38. IT'S ONLY A PLURALITY! And it's the same plurality

that votes RW EVERY FUCKING ELECTION!!! This is NOT a surprise. That 36% are the ones who will NEVER be won over.

[Douglas Carpenter]

39. The Reagan Revolution - according to Mike Huckabee - a short 1 1/2 min. video

link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3BKDD3BDNHg#!


.

[Cali_Democrat]

42. A nation of dumbasses