Still you support Aasange?

[nmbluesky]

Poll question: Still you support Aasange?

He goes to court for sex rape Change today...
He still hero for Wikileak..or he not because He isn't hero because of he raped!!!

[AlabamaLibrul]

1. Your only options are "I still support him even though he raped someone" and negative choices

because he raped someone.

Innocent until proven guilty?

[pacalo]

2. He didn't "rape" anyone. Look at the big picture, dude.

[villager]

3. where's the "I think it's a set-up" option?

n/t

[ET Awful]

4. What?

First, he isn't actually charged with "rape", he's charged with not using a condom.

Second, it would appear you're convicting him without a trial which is not exactly just and proper.

Third, if you slow down, think before you type, and collect your thoughts, your English (which I assume is a second language for you) will be much more accurate and readable.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

10. No, he's charged with having sex with a girl while she was asleep and not stopping when asked

It isn't just "not wearing a condom".

[EFerrari]

17. Actually, he hasn't been charged at all and hasn't seen any

of the evidence against him.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

21. The evidence against him is the word of his accusers.

Whether he is guilty or not, dismissing the alleged act as "nothing" is pretty vile, IMHO.

Yes, holding someone down and coming inside of them when she asked you not to should be assault. Yes, having sex with someone who is not conscious to give consent is rape.

Did he do those things? I don't know and we'll probably never know...the only ones who know are his accusers and him. But those are two vile acts and if someone committed them should be punished and it's a little disgusting that liberals are blowing it off as "not using a condom".

[EFerrari]

23. But we don't know "the word of his accusers".

We know what has been reported. That's what I mean. There is nothing on the record and no one is being held responsible for the version that you are repeating.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

26. We know what his accusers have alleged he did.

And those allegations are not of "sex by surprise" or "having sex without a condom". They are for sexual assault.

He might be innocent entirely. But that is NOT what some people are saying-they are saying that the crimes are essentially not really rape.


Sorry, but sex with a sleeping woman and not stopping sex when asked is RAPE.

[EFerrari]

32. Again, since he has not been charged, there is no official record

of the allegations against him. There are media reports and rumors. That is what you are calling "rape".

[SemiCharmedQuark]

35. Do you think holding down someone and having sex with them after they tell you to stop is not rape?

Do you think having sex with someone who is asleep and has not consented is not rape?


The only way he is innocent of rape is if he didn't do it. There is no gray area here, those acts are rape not "rape".

Read about the report here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden

[EFerrari]

36. You are assuming a great deal.

Both women have said they were not raped. The allegation against Assange is of having unprotected sex. And yes, I read that. If these women were alleging rape, he never would have gotten permission to leave Sweden and travel to the UK.

[sendero]

80. You seem pretty sure this happened..

.. I have no fucking idea why.

I hope you are never in a situation where it is assumed you have commited a crime because SOMEONE SAID SO.

Wait, I change my mind, that's exactly what you need.

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[Poboy]

7. Dutifully following the narrative of 'rape' I see.

Having sex w/o a condom is not rape.

Goofy ass poll.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

13. Not stopping sex when asked is rape. Having sex with a woman without her consent (she was asleep)

is rape.


And neither of those things have any bearing on his being right or wrong on Wikileaks.

[TheKentuckian]

8. Why would I stand with him no matter what or believe he raped anyone?

The consensual rape thing doesn't wash with me.

[Poboy]

14. That's another point.

The poll gives simple minded choices that do no reflect one's decision making process.
The man can be a serial murderer, to which I would like him in prison forever, but I would still like him to release the info he has obtained.

Again, goofy assed poll.

[SugarShack]

9. This is a "push poll' and DU'ers know better! Only lousy options...he raped NO ONE

[sendero]

41. Lousy options.

.... from someone who can barely speak English.

Anyone that actually believes there is anything like a rape involved here is a drooling moron.

[pnwmom]

11. I don't support him mass releasing 250,000 diplomatic documents

simply because he could.

I could have supported him selectively releasing important documents, as Ellsberg did with the Pentagon papers. But I don't support his willy-nilly release of thousands of documents opportunistically and I don't believe in his idea of complete transparency being necessary or even helpful to diplomacy or promoting peace.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. who released 250,000 documents?

By your admission, you should now recant and support Assange. He hasn't released 250,000 documents. Wikileaks has been releasing them slowly, over time, selectively. I know it's still in you to hate him, but you'll have to find a different rationale, since the one you've used is not true.

[pnwmom]

37. He has promised to release all those documents over time.

And the release of most of those documents that have come out so far, in my opinion has served no good purpose. For example, letting North Korea know about our negotiations with China. Dumb, dumb, dumb -- unless, of course, he's trying to stir up trouble in that corner of the world.

As for his claim of "redacting," pulling out names from documents is not enough for him to protect identities of those who may need protection. He has no way of knowing what clues he's supplying to those who would like to hurt our overseas allies.

[Mz Pip]

12. Are these two things

mutually inclusive?

A broken condom during consentual sex doesn't sone like rape to me, if that is all that happened. I don't support anyone who is convicted of rape. Being charged isn't being convicted.

The WikiLeaks is a separate issue entirely IMHO.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

16. Allegedly the condom broke, she asked him to stop and instead he held her down and finished

That sounds like rape to me. But I absolutely agree with your basic point-Wikileaks and the rape charges are two separate things.

[Mz Pip]

25. If that is what happened

then I agree about it being rape. If that's what happened.

[backscatter712]

29. The only evidence is her word, which isn't enough in a court of actual law.

A kangaroo court might convict based on he-said-she-said, but a court that actually has integrity will acquit in a millisecond.

[LadyHawkAZ]

54. How...

would she have known that the condom had broken unless he had stopped and pulled out? Unless she has a vaginal eyeball, that's not a fact that would have come to light till after they were done.

I'm sorry. Her whole story is garbage. I call BS.

I think the second woman is telling the truth. However, she IS responsible for saying no if she doesn't want sex, and "couldn't be bothered" to do so. He's an asshole for refusing to take a test, sure, but I doubt he's psychic.

[ohheckyeah]

60. She knew because she felt

his wiki leak. :-)

[LadyHawkAZ]

65. *snicker* n/t

[Bluebear]

76. !

[ecstatic]

15. It's called "selective outrage"

Apparently, rape is OK in certain instances.

[xchrom]

18. I suggest you become better informed.

I suspect you're very, very uninformed when you vote.

[Rex]

19. What a crock of shit poll.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. this is a steaming pile of shit

[nmbluesky]

24. Well.. I guess this poll is piece of shit..

I"m so bored stuck during snow storm...

Sorry!!!

[Pavulon]

30. Just add the "Assange conspired with manning to get data from siprnet

and use it for his own purposes option" It is neither good nor bad, just a possibility. Supposed to snow tomorrow here. Its fun when I dont have to drive with the nuts here.

[backscatter712]

27. I stand with him, because the rape charges are complete bullshit.

Assange isn't guilty of anything except pissing off powerful politicians, who retaliated by cooking up this bogus rape prosecution, that has no evidence behind it other than "He said, she said" and a broken condom, involving women who had consensual sex with him, one of which has ties to the CIA.

All this from a country that seems to let every real rapist within its borders skate free, yet somehow sees fit to call an international manhunt and demand for extradition for Assange.

[provis99]

40. more blame the victim nonsense.

If George Bush had done this rather than Julian Assange, you'd be screaming for his head.

[backscatter712]

47. False equivalence.

There's mountains of evidence of Bush's crimes. There's zero real evidence that Assange committed rape or any other crime.

[Motown_Johnny]

28. "sex rape" ? As opposed to what other type of rape?

Adrian Monk, is that you?

[kgnu_fan]

31. So who do you work for?

Read:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/dear-government-of-sweden

[PBS Poll-435]

33. Other:

Worshiped by idiots no man make.

[PBS Poll-435]

34. Oh...And...

Surprise!

[Marr]

38. Apparently we're outsourcing out internet astroturf jobs to India, too.

[superduperfarleft]

45. But OP told me his name was Chuck! n/t

[TheKentuckian]

52. Classic

[jberryhill]

87. Doing the jobs Americans won't do /nt

[glinda]

39. You need to read up more on what is said to have happened. Does not appear to be rape.

[Uncle Joe]

42. If he raped someone, I would not support him. I don't believe he raped someone but even if he did,

I would still support Wikileaks.

[MedicalAdmin]

43. So much for the basis of any rational legal system - the presumption of innocence.

I guess he's guilty because someone says he's guilty. I guess we can just jail his ass and throw away the key.

Great - I say GW Bush and Darth Cheney are war criminals. Can we hang them now?

[Recovered Repug]

56. Presumption of innocence is only for a court of law.

There is no such requirement in the court of public opinion.

[pitohui]

44. the sex/rape charge is bullshit

as a woman i especially resent bullshit accusations of sex assault/rape being used to harass somebody when my attacker walks free and the attacker of virtually every female victim i know walks free

don't insult my spirit and my intelligence

if assange is guilty of some crime, how come biden says he isn't? home come the house judiciary committee says he isn't? i think biden is a more credible person than somebody who has a history of posting a website telling women how to get "revenge" by making false rape accusations

[DearAbby]

46. Wikileaks isnt Assange

I support the exposure of truth. I also support a person is innocent until proven otherwise, I don't consider just the accusation worthy of conviction.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

48. Nmbluesky, you are trying waaaaay too hard. (n/t)

[Cid_B]

49. No option for never supported and hope he rots?

eom

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

78. Hey, you! What do you think of the recent developments in Congress re: DADT?

I'd like to read your opinion on this.

[harun]

50. What's a "sex rape Change"?

[Autumn]

51. Fuck yes, n/t

[quinnox]

53. you forgot about pedophile, serial killer, and terrorist

:eyes:

[Karenina]

55. May I back you into an Emily Litella?

There is, as yet, no formal evidence in the public domain that he committed any act that could be defined as rape as we understand it. Nor has he been charged. He is wanted for "questioning" even though he made himself available to the prosecutors when the shit first hit the fan. Since then, after the first prosecutor dropped the charges and allowed him to leave the country, a SECOND prosecutor (do check who and where came from) has made an issue of something which NORMALLY IN SWEDEN is a "misdemeanor offense" despite their strange definitions. Do also read Michel Moore's letter:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/dear-government-of-sweden

I'm a Libra and reserve the absolute right to change my opinion when presented new and credible information. YMMV.

[Quixote1818]

57. STUPID POLL! Please watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvhv7wXiHa8&playnext=1&list=PL900A1790B3C79D51&index=34

[nemo137]

58. Both/and

I think that wikileaks is, on the whole, a good thing, and that it's more than possible that Assange is being targeted for being the public face of an organization that tweaked off many governments, and also that it's entirely likely that Assange is, indeed, a rapist, a pig, and a bully. I have no problem accepting both of those things. I am baffled as to why Assange is the focus of so much attention, as opposed to wikileaks as a whole. If Assange got hit by a lightning bolt on his way to court, I doubt it'd change a damn thing. There are several wikileaks clones springing up. The genie is out of the bottle on this one.

[Raksha]

59. I support him completely and consider him a hero.

The rape "charges" are total bullshit and aren't even charges. He hasn't been charged with anything.

[Bluebear]

61. 'FUCK HIM because he rape to someone!!!'

Good gravy.

[jberryhill]

84. Are you in voting to after poll gravy?

Or not be?

[Vickers]

62. Unrec because of the stupid. n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

63. HOW DO I SHOT WEB

How is babby formed?

[NuclearDem]

64. I DUNNO LOL

[nc4bo]

68. Oh deer, can't bee that ovious or can it?1!

[jberryhill]

85. I accidentally the whole thing. Is that bad?

[TBF]

66. Unrec for obvious bias. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

67. Well you know.... 90% support and the others

Are just the dust binds of history.


Yeah, the poll was a push.

[Overseas]

69. Still you read news?

Most of us read the news behind the headlines, and we read it from various perspectives, conservatives, liberal, US and foreign sources.

We know that what has been called rape to poison public opinion of Assange is allegedly having had sex without a condom, something many Americans do far too often.

We also know that when the Iraq and Afghan war logs were released, there were lesser sex charges attempted to discredit Assange and those had to be dropped for lack of evidence. So it seemed to us like this was another smear attempt.

[Ichingcarpenter]

71. A Poor Smear but his poll bears it out on support.

I don't trust US news anymore and neither should other americans
YOU ARE BEING FEED LIES.

[Overseas]

75. Naomi Wolf calls out the spurious charges

Discussing Naomi Wolf article http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x32029

[DainBramaged]

70. What about, who cares?

:shrug:

[AmandaMae]

72. He wasn't accused of rape.

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[Bluebear]

77. It was sex rape Change!

:crazy:

[Jamastiene]

81. All three!

:wtf: is sex rape Change? :rofl: It sounds like the OP is saying he forced somebody to have a sex change operation. That is the very first I have heard that accusation.

The stupid! It burns!

[seabeyond]

74. i stopped supporting him after the last dump. nothing to do with charges. cant vote

the option isnt there.

what he dumped last time was bullshit. secrets, but bullshit. gossip. spite. childish. he wants the glory of what he is doing, he needs to do it responsibly. he failed.

he lost me

[marmar]

79. "because of he raped"

Repetez en anglais, s'il vous plait.

[jberryhill]

86. Be not am grammar is wrongs beside. Reelly!

[underpants]

82. "Yes the charges are bulshit (star f%cker$) and there is nothing wrong with the truth

[KG]

83. !

:rofl: