President Obama is not the President of Egypt

[ProSense]

He can push for Mubarak to leave, but he cannot decide who their next leader should be, and neither can any American.

Unless an Egyptian leader steps up to demand a role in the transition, the U.S. can't simply demand that Mubarak leave and not ensure that there is a leader in place.

[malaise]

1. You're right but it's still

a lousy plan.

[Schema Thing]

2. got a better one?

[stephHart]

3. but he/we have a lot of influence

and the opposition groups have demand the whole regime go, a new constitution, and new elections.

if you just remove the figure head, and expect real change, then you are only kidding yourself.

[bigwillq]

5. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[stephHart]

8. hello

and thank you, it is good to be here :hi:

[ProSense]

6. "the opposition groups have demand the whole regime go, a new constitution, and new elections."

Which of these opposition groups are going to lead the transition and accomplish those goals?

Have they identified a leader?

If the President is expected to demand Mubarak leave, he is going to be expected to ensure leadership is in place.

[stephHart]

13. why do you think that only the current brutal, corrupt regime can manage a transition?

i believe that there are many respected, and trusted Egyptians who could more suitably fulfill that role.

and more importantly, so do most Egyptians.

what i am hearing, appears to advocate that the discredited brutes continue to run the show, which would seem to me to only serve to continue the status quo, which doesn't sound like real change that the Egyptians are demanding and sacrificing for.

[ProSense]

20. Where did I say that? I

asked:

Which of these opposition groups are going to lead the transition and accomplish those goals?

Have they identified a leader?

If the President is expected to demand Mubarak leave, he is going to be expected to ensure leadership is in place.

Do you have answers?

[cynatnite]

4. Maybe that's why there is a negotiation and not a demand. n/t

[cbdo2007]

7. But everyone here wants President Obama to solve all their problems overnight!!

[mix]

9. Who said he was?

The US will fight for the status quo that Mubarak represents, with or without him.

The administration has tremendous leverage to shape events towards reform and democracy, however, Obama's people seem to be slipping further and further behind events across the Arab/Islamic world.

And that is just fine. US policy in the ME and north Africa has stunted democracy and fueled Islamist resistance.

To pretend that the Obama administration did not or does not want the same thing that each presidency has wanted since 1980--a stable Egyptian dictatorship--is transparently wrong.

[ProSense]

10. There are going to be elections,

that is unless you think Egyptians are stupid and are doing this just to put another 30-year ruler in place?

[mix]

14. How could elections possibly occur in the middle of revolution?

Mubarak's exit is imminent, but the aftermath will be a fight for power whose end is not in sight. Without a doubt, the US will support the most reactionary elements. As this country always has.

[ProSense]

15. "Mubarak's exit is imminent, but the aftermath will be a fight for power whose end is not in sight."

Really? Tell the President to stand down. This will work itself out eventually.

Is that why there were demands for the President to demand Mubarak leave immediately?

[mix]

21. I love this affectation that suddenly the US is a powerless

imperial player. We're weakened as a super power, true, but the US in Egypt has tremendous leverage and evidence of this will be Mubarak's dismissal.

[ProSense]

23. "We're weakened as a super power, true, but the US in Egypt has tremendous leverage" How

does this mesh with your claim that "Mubarak's exit is imminent, but the aftermath will be a fight for power whose end is not in sight."

If you believe the President should pressure him to step down, why exactly do you believe that he would do that and not ensure a transitional government is in place?

[mix]

24. The US is cutting its ties to Mubarak, as we speak. Yesterday's events have assured that.

The secular anti-Mubarak/pro-democracy movement will vie for power with religious political parties, and of course the status quo represented by the American poddle Omar Sulieman will use as much US sponsored, aided and trained violence as possible to cling to power.

[ProSense]

25. Complete circles.

Do the Egyptians get to decide anything?

[mix]

27. Hopefully, but the US does not support democracy in Egypt or

anywhere else in the Arab/Islamic world. So there are battles to come.

Anti-imperialists have prevailed before against US sponsored dictatorships like the Somoza regime in Nicaragua for example, so maybe the anti-Mubarak movement, which is also anti-current US policy, will shape their own destiny.

But there is little evidence that a policy change is in the works.

[mix]

26. delete nt

[leftstreet]

11. Then maybe the US should vacate their 700+ bases around the globe n/t

[bigwillq]

12. Geez, I thought he was president of the world.

:shrug:

:rofl:

Oh, sorry, that's Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x603781
:rofl:

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[Hello_Kitty]

17. But it won't stop you from giving him all the credit if it works out well.

[thewiseguy]

18. LOL Exactly...

[ProSense]

19. Oh please.

It can't possibly work out well with a U.S. puppet as dictator, right?

The Egyptian revolution isn't an opportunity for Americans to play bullshit political games.

[Honeycombe8]

22. This is so true. We can't go around naming heads of other countries.

Who the hell do we think we are?

We have interests that need to be protected, and interests of our allies. So we may want to express our views, punish the country in denying aid if they do something detrimental to our interests, or the like. But it's not our country!

What would Americans say if Mubarak insisted we oust Obama and elect someone else more to his liking? We'd tell him to stay the hell out of our business.