Will repeal of DADT change your answer to Obama asking, How do you like me now?

[WingDinger]

I kinda think it will trap some needed wind in his Sailspitch. What think you?

[t0dd]

1. No. He did nothing to ensure its passage. This is a grassroots victory

and placing the praise elsewhere is misguided.

[sharp_stick]

8. Yeah he did nothing

He only fucking ensured it would get to this point by not bending and issuing a useless "executive order" that it not be enforced until the next puke took office.

Bitch and moan all you want, he did it, he did a lot to make sure it got to this point and I don't think you fucking even know what the fuck a corporatist is.

I'm really starting to sense a lot of disappointment among "some" here that they didn't manage to win on this.

[WingDinger]

11. No need for that. I asked.

[t0dd]

17. Excuse me.

Our President did not fight for it (what a surprise!). He could have not appealed a court order suspending all discharges, and it would have been done. He could have done a lot of things... you know, considering he is a "fierce advocate" and all. Sorry for not joining your cult of praise, but the repeal of DADT is owed solely to grassroots activism; denying that is disgraceful.

[WingDinger]

19. There would have been a lot of rhetorical footdragging, had it been Exc order.

[sharp_stick]

23. Are you kidding me..

dammit do you really think it would have worked if the DOJ just dropped it? Cult of praise?... are you are totally clueless? Obama has said, from the start of the campaign that he wanted to end DADT and that he wanted to end DADT before the end of his first term. Shit, wow we're still less than half way through... it's ended. Too bad for the people betting against it but it's ended and all the bitching and moaning in the world ain't bringing it back just so people can enjoy their little bitch sessions.

He wanted a legislative end to DADT because that is the most secure way to actually end DADT. He and pretty much everyone else has tried to explain it but a lot people are just a bit too dense to figure it out.

If he didn't appeal the court order it would have ended DADT until about 10 seconds into the first term of the next repuke President when it would have been reinstated without any need for legislative action. Oh my... I wonder what would have happened to all the decent people that no longer felt they had to hide their sexual orientation in the military? I'm sure the pukes would have let them grandfather in and been nice enough not to kick them to the curb about a week after the reinstatement of the shitty law now wouldn't they?

Congress, the gutless assholes they are, would never have taken up DADT if the DOJ didn't appeal the ruling and Congress would have simply punted because they could and it would be the easy way out. When has Congress not taken the easy way out? Only when they weren't given the option.

[t0dd]

29. "Shit, wow".. I'm not sure how I'm the dense one here

If the DoJ hadn't appealed the court order saying DADT was unconstitutional, it would have come to an end immediately. Try to understand there are those of us that belong to this community called reality. The facts are there. If Obama had come out passionately for repeal like he did for giving tax cuts to his Wall Street buddies or reminding us when states legalize same-sex marriage that he prefers civil unions, this atrocious policy would have ended much sooner.

[BzaDem]

30. "but try to understand there are those of us that belong to this community called reality"

:rofl:

[t0dd]

31. I'm flattered the comment made you laugh.

I would certainly hope, despite our disagreements over how much credit the President deserves, that your amusement is in good faith and not at all an implication that you believe I am actually the one misplaced from reality ;)

[BzaDem]

34. Don't worry. I believe your perception of reality is just as accurate as you believe the poster with

a "masturbatory worship of President Obama" has of reality.

:hug:

[t0dd]

35. That comment was admittedly crude, and I will instantly revise that post

but I am immensely grateful for your civility.. :) :hug:

[sharp_stick]

50. Classy as you are smart I see

Your knowledge of the law is astounding, just astounding and fucking clueless. I would try to reply but I guess I guess I'm off to stroke myself.

Now just... ah fuck it I'm done with you.

[t0dd]

52. I'll accept your coarse and rather unlettered reply as admission you lost the debate.

[malaise]

9. Huh?

:shrug:

[spanone]

25. bullshit. the congress woudn't have touched it otherwise

[Fire Walk With Me]

44. "Yes, WE Can."

[COLGATE4]

46. K&R X1000!

[Bonhomme Richard]

2. They threw a bone. n/t

[vi5]

3. And I quote "Obama doesn't control the Senate"

I believe we've heard that more than a few times on this here site, have we not?

This is a victory, no doubt. And it's one of the first Democratic victories without caveats, or coupled with other more shitty compromises where we lose more than we get. This is a victory for the side of justice.

But it can't be both ways as far as Obama himself goes. When the Senate sucks and does horrible things and people blame Obama for his hands off approach and ceding to much it can't be "Obama doesn't control the senate. Oh well, nothing he can do about it. Needs the 60 votes, just not there" but then when they do something right it can't be "See! Obama is great. Everyone should thank him for his steadfast leadership and strength."

[KG]

4. + a hunnert

[WingDinger]

6. He did say, " DADT will be ended in my term."

[DURHAM D]

14. Just like George Bush - he sniffed the wind and then drifted along behind the issue.

[COLGATE4]

47. He's becoming more and more like Bush in this...

[sharp_stick]

12. If Obama

had of bent to the demands of one hell of a lot uninformed people and issued an executive order that DADT not be enforced there would never have been a vote in the Senate.

Sorry it pisses you off but Obama won one.

[mitchtv]

15. actually there are caveats

this only removes th federal law. It still needs to be "certified" ok to go with DOD etc. It's not over yet. I'll wait til its ended for real

[treestar]

27. Then that goes both ways too

But the posters were blaming Obama, not the Senate. Now suddenly they recognize the Senate's power.

that's inconsistent too.

[TheKentuckian]

5. I'm pleased with this but it doesn't undo past and ongoing shenanigans

Social issues are a much easier play (not that they aren't uphill pushing a boulder as well) than economic and investment policy when dealing with the corporate establishment.

[WingDinger]

7. And the followup question, what would it take for you to tentatively climb on board?

[Warren Stupidity]

10. It is a major achievement. nt.

[jdlh8894]

18. What, to get gays killed?

As I said earlier - A homophobic SGT can now make an order - Hey, Gay Guy! You are running POINT!

[Warren Stupidity]

26. It is a major achievement.

Asshole officers were able to do that before to anyone they don't like, and they will remain able to do that, what they won't be able to do is chase people out of the armed forces for being gay.

[treestar]

28. OH please, so now your are against repealing it?

You are for excluding gays from the army, so they won't get killed?

[Little Star]

13. I will give him credit when due and this is one of those times! k&r

[BlueIris]

16. Nope.

This does not, and nothing will, balance out the inherent wrongness of his Afghanistan, health insurance "reform" and tax cut decisions.

[msongs]

20. when repeal is actually implemented Obama, Pelosi, and Reid will get props nt

[Edweird]

21. No. It's a good thing but it does not vindicate his RW policies.

[fascisthunter]

22. fuck no

[bullwinkle428]

24. Barack Obama e-mail : "bullwinkle428, this victory is yours!"

I'm sure many others at DU just received the same one.

[Luciferous]

32. Nope.

[Bucky]

33. You nailed it. The problem remains that he wants too much to be *liked*.

He had me at "So help me God."

[Name removed]

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[polmaven]

40. Wow!

There is nothing more that I can say to this.....Wow!

[silverweb]

37. Yes.

It removes some recent doubts and restores faith in his process.

While I know and accept that he must compromise on some things to get anything substantial accomplished, some of the compromises created doubt and disappointment.

While I also realize that he's far more active behind the scenes than we will ever know, it was still hard to have him perceived as "silent," "passive," or "weak" at times.

I'm greatly reassured.

[Duke Newcombe]

38. Er..no.

I reject the irrational exuberance that the president somehow architected this with his dazzling display of 3-D chess, or "he MEANT for it to wind up this way", or any other accreditation of the repeal of DADT to him. This was a long game, begun by many gay folks who were the pioneers and took the arrows and hit the pavement, and talked to people to convince them of the insanity of this policy. They deserve the wind, not Mr. Obama.

[AlabamaLibrul]

39. I'll withhold judgement until he actually SIGNS it, the way he's been acting lately

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[davidinalameda]

41. at least we can move to the back of the bus

from underneath it

DOMA is still the law of the land and ENDA is nowhere close to being enacted

[PBS Poll-435]

42. What is a 'Sailspitch'?

I just can't wrap my mind around it.

[jdlh8894]

48. Ever been on a "Saleboat" when the wind takes a 180? n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

51. I did get a postcard via snalemale

It was in the malebocks earlier today.

[Owl]

43. NO for all the other issues, tax cuts for the Rich, war crap and MIC expenditures, ad nauseam.

[NNN0LHI]

45. What has he done about preventing banana fungus?

Nothing! Thats what. President Obama is a failure.

Don

[Bluebear]

49. No, Obama had nothing to do with it. We were told that here for two years.

CONGRESS makes the law, not the President!!!!!11

:)