cutting government services while allowing billions to go untaxed will never

[StarsInHerHair]

get rid of the deficit. WHEN ARE THE WEALTHIEST GOING TO BEGIN SHOULDERING THEIR SHARE OF THE BURDENS WE ARE ALREADY BEGINNING TO BEAR?

[Ken Burch]

1. Not until we ALL go to Tahrir Square.

The only way to change things is to create an entirely new system. This one is too rotten to be saved.

[Hardrada]

3. It's beginning to look that way.

[dkf]

5. Do you really have no assets that you want everything to start at square one?

[Ken Burch]

6. At this point, we're going to begin to have to ask ourselves

Are ANY of our assets worth anyone else's suffering?

The existing order is permanently biased against social change. The Citizens United decision carved THAT into stone.

I want democracy, but REAL democracy...and that can only be built from below.

The elites are all AGAINST the people. No one in the suites has a soul anymore(if they ever did).

And a lot of the people in Egypt are putting all of THEIR assets at risk, so who am I to say I can't be a part of change just to keep "mine".

[dkf]

7. Well if most people are willing to give up everything then we will see a tahir square.

But I doubt it. People are into preserving their entitlements more than anything else.

[Ken Burch]

8. That's assuming those entitlements will survive

Our rulers, including our "Democratic" president, seem committed to taking them all away.

[dkf]

9. Well my point is that keeping entitlements requires keeping the system.

Under your reset scenario, what happens to Apple? Do we get to take all of Steve Jobs shares and assets away from him?

[Ken Burch]

11. I'm not sure we can COUNT on the system as it is to preserve those entitlements

The system seems committed to removing them and giving ALL of the assets of society to the wealthy. The last two years shows the system won't allow any challenge to this agenda.

We need something different. Something that includes ALL of us in full democracy-from-below.

I don't have the ENTIRE plan myself, and wouldn't claim to do so. It needs to be drafted by the people, with the ideas and life experiences of all of us brought in.

If we lose Apple, and Microsoft, and regain our dignity, that's a good trade-off.

We can all share the knowledge needed to make computers or whatever else we truly need. None of that requires that the economy or the state be run by selfish, arrogant elitist jerks.

[StarsInHerHair]

13. you're wrong, there are other systems where SocialSecurity type of

departments exist, looking back, FDR forcefully inserted Social Security INTO this corrupt system.

But there is a pattern to all progress: you have to fight for it, it doesn't get done peacefully, like women getting the right to vote-they were jailed, force-fed in jail when on hunger strikes, got bottles and other things thrown at them, were called unChristian,selfish, etc. etc. It takes pioneering, taking a course no one else thought of-THAT'S what true leaders do.

[DesertFlower]

2. i keep wondering the same thing.

what did michael moore say? they have 99% of the pie and the rest of us are supposed to share the remaining 1%.

[Liquorice]

4. The wealthy will never have such burdens. Ever. nt

[inna]

10. dude, it's a (unilateral) class war, as simple as that. They could not care less about deficits.

That whole agenda is very well described and has been in works for a few decades now; it's just that now they are finally succeeding, probably even beyond their own wildest expectations. A manufactured financial crisis/"collapse" and a 'transformative president' come in very handy, too.

[LooseWilly]

12. Not to mention "we" the compliant drones...

And, by "we" I mean Democrats. I mean the DLC.

The "un-we", of course, are meanwhile shouted down over the possibility of costing the "we" seats in the midwest and the south... "we" seats that make sure the party participates, like compliant drones, in the agenda you mention.

Triangulation has "done so much" for the party... whoopee...

[woo me with science]

14. K&R

Who represents us now?

[The Gunslinger]

15. See Egypt.