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Sun Feb-13-11 03:09 AM
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| What have you learned from the Egyptian uprising and toppling of Mubarak regime? |
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Here's what I think I learned ...
-- that humans are capable of immense courage and love for one another in such a struggle --
-- that Non-violence is the only way to overturn fascism and dictators --
-- that the internet is probably a tool which elites will be looking very closely at --
-- why young males are so feared by elites -- and probably a major reason why they want them fed into a military machine very early to be molded and made obedient --
-- that my instincts that Mubarak would go given the immense pressure was correct -- but in the short run I became very frightened by his "thugs" even though I knew they were fake -- frightened by the obvious threat of military which could act against the interests of the people and democracy.
-- that my constant fear was that the protesters would turn to violence -- and was astounded how to the very last they kept this uppermost in mind that non-violence was essential --
-- that guns are probably the last thing you want in a revolt or revolution -- unless you want to get bombed immediately --
-- that you can trust the instincts of the people -- seemed to be an innate knowledge of how to do this --
-- that it can be done without "named" leadership -- that there can be many leaders.
-- that dictators/fascists will always lie -- even to the last --
-- that we always say they are the few and we are the many -- but Egypt showed us what that really meant --
-- that you have to have constantly increasing numbers -- more and more pressure each day.
-- that you gain respect by still treating others justly -- even though you are being treated unjustly --
-- that things like "cleaning up the area" -- volunteer protesters collecting the garbage to keep Egypt clean were thought out and arranged --
-- that water and food are necessary and in the end "tokens" of affection -- whether from the people to the troops -- or at the last from military tossing cookies/water over the fence to protesters at the TV station -- or was it candy bars?
-- that Egypt has shown us just how many more revolts are necessary --
-- that populations can be emboldened and that elites are probably quite worried about this now and this "success" -- after working on how to betray it, I'm sure next on the list will be finding some way to SERIOUSLY discourage others --
-- that along the way it seemed to me that this was giving Mubarak too much time, I thought, to retaliate against the protesters -- for deals to be made which worried me -- but it was one of the fastest in 18 days!
-- that it will help your revolt if you are a beautiful and intelligent people who act wisely -- and justly towards others --
-- that wonderful humorous comments can move a revolution and admiration for your people --
-- that you have to have those among you ready to give their lives for the future of others -- 300 and more did --
-- that religion played an obvious and important role in this rebellion -- that their "call to prayer" each day brought them together - gave them trust in one another -- put "god" on their side -- that they all held a core belief in peace and non-violence --
-- that you need the energy of young strong males to run a revolt -- willing to die or be tortured if their number came up --
-- that we saw and feared that other nation's leaders could keep your dictator propped up --
-- that you need to be able to toss rocks back and stand against Molotov cocktails -- and go without sleep sometimes for days --
-- that there are journalists ready to sacrifice their own lives for freedom -- and Al Jazeera --
-- that with loving care, the story was covered here at DU moment by moment -- thank you!
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:22 AM
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| 1. I learned that the limits of "the possible" aren't as absolute as some say. |
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Edited on Sun Feb-13-11 03:23 AM by Ken Burch
That it IS possible to come together and reshape life, if we choose to.
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:12 PM
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| 12. That's one of the most important lessons to be learned. |
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Ever notice how many trolls here at DU devote a lot of time and verbiage in an attempt to convince everyone else that some desired goal is either flat-out impossible or will take so long to achieve that most of us will be dead long before its realization? The effort is always to discourage or delay. That behavior is so consistent it has become one of the main ways I recognize a troll.
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:27 AM
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| 2. you have to capture and hold the media's attention |
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The scariest time was probably around the end of the second week when international media attention was beginning to flag. That was when I most feared a Tiananmen style massacre.
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:34 AM
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| 3. That one person can't make a difference but millions |
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can make one hell of a difference. That as long as people believe that nothing can be done nothing will.
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:03 AM
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| 4. That large groups of people can be used as pawns in a sick game |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:53 AM
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| 5. It's reinforced my knowledge that people are too quick to celebrate after an initial positive step |
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We really don't know what kind of system will take the place of the authoritarian dictatorship that was ousted. I think the situation in Egypt is very dangerous right now. It could end up a shining example of real freedom and democracy, or as something quite different. The next several months are critical.
Mubarak has fallen. That's great, and I am pleased that the Egyptians were able to pull it off with minimal violence, but what happens next?
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:54 AM
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| 8. They're still very watchful, angry and protesting |
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Edited on Sun Feb-13-11 08:57 AM by Catherina
Workers strikes are still taking place all over Egypt now.
occupiedcairo Occupied Cairo We will have 6 months of military rule with Ahmed Shafiq's govt. There is no transitional govt. 2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
occupiedcairo Occupied Cairo There is no end to emergency law. The same tools of oppression are in place #jan25 1 minute ago
ElFoulio Abdel-Rahman Hussein So we only had one day of joy fe3lan as I feared, mashi mashi #jan25 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply
It's now the revolutionaries against foreign meddling with a complicit Army in between.
What happens next indeed.
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:23 PM
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| 14. To the heroes of Egypt: Don't give up hope, guys. |
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You have won a MAJOR battle and amazed and inspired the whole world in the process. But you have not yet won the war. You know your enemy very well, and you know that tyranny never gives up power voluntarily. But in the end you will prevail.
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:38 PM
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| 15. I share your concern. What will happen over the next few months is |
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Extremely dicey.
I mean, I remember dancing in my living room most of the early hours of Nov 5th 2008, but then it became apparent that what so many of us thought would happen wasn't in the cards.
I truly hope the Egyptian people are able to do better than we did.
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:56 AM
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| 6. That the political rhetoric about our foreign aid is not rhetoric after all. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:33 AM
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| 7. That a dictator is doomed if his military (which we shouldn't have been funding) won't fire |
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on its fellow countrymen. If the military/security services will fire (see Tienanmen, Tehran, etc.), rulers sleep much better at night.
- "Freedom" and "democracy" mean a lot to people who know they don't have them; less to people who think they do.
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:06 PM
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| 19. Right. That was crucial. I have been wondering what all of that psychology was. |
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How that transpired. Was it because they were all Egyptian, or because Mubarak was that bad, or...?
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:00 AM
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| 9. That this is only step one... |
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diligence and vigilance must be strong...
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:50 AM
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| 11. Sometimes the good guys actually win. n/t |
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:15 PM
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| 13. Let's see what they get for |
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their trouble before we make any judgments.
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:43 PM
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Once you're no longer afraid they are powerless and There's safety in numbers. Even the low flying military jets and the helicopters were no match for the hundreds of thousands of people in Tahrir Square.
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:00 PM
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| 17. k/r -- there is that moment in life -- when FEAR no longer works -- !! |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:02 PM
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| 18. That all of the bad things fascists build can be removed in days. |
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Unfortunately, people tolerate quite a lot before they act in unison.
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:42 PM
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| 22. LOVE that one --- !!!! |
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Mon Feb-14-11 09:24 PM
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| 23. Overcoming psychological barrier -- FEAR .... Wael Ghonim just made that clear/60 Mins .... |
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Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 09:24 PM by defendandprotect
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Americans better start paying close attention to what's going on outside of the U.S. and get their information unfiltered. Joe Klein still sucks.
Great OP and discussion board thread.
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