How I despise these people

[cali]

Kasich: You strike, you get punished
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Governor against public employees' right to walk out
Friday, February 11, 2011 02:50 AM
By Joe Hallett and Jim Siegel
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

A day after hundreds of public employees jammed the Statehouse to protest a bill they believe will kill their unions, Gov. John Kasich said he is working on an even-tougher version, one that would punish workers who go on strike.

If the Republican-controlled legislature doesn't fashion a collective-bargaining reform bill to his liking, Kasich said yesterday, then he will include language in the coming state budget to enact the changes he wants.

"I have my own proposal right now," Kasich told reporters after a speech to the Ohio Newspaper Association in Columbus.

"We would outlaw strikes, and the penalties would either be firing or docked wages," the governor said.

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[RKP5637]

1. And people vote these damn fools into office. n/t

[Sonoman]

21. More like those damned fools vote these people into office.

The Idiot Vote is usually enough.

Sonoman

[RKP5637]

22. Yep!!! n/t

[somone]

2. What happens when people elect a Lehman Brothers/FOX News/O'Reilly Factor asshole

[JVS]

16. Jesus Christ. They found someone who looks even goofier than Bush!

[Name removed]

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[lpbk2713]

4. He's a fascist.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.



Piss on him.

[old mark]

5. Cali, I was a state employee in PA. We were forbidden by law to engage in ANY

political activity beyond voting...even bumper stickers and letters to the editor could cost a person his job-pension health insurance and all.

The politicians of course said everything they wanted to about us, and many Democrats were as bad as the republicans when times got tough-we were the scapegoat of choice. We got laid off, got wages frozen and benefits cut every time there was an economic setback.

In PA, we got unions late-in 1973. We got a cost of living increase around 2001...the first one ever and the only one since.

Public employees are traditional whipping boys for politicians, and they would LOVE to repeal all the civil service laws, too, and go back to the way things were in the late 19th century, when politicians gave public jobs to their friends and got kickbacks for every service.


Watch some of these big GOP states, like New Jersey and now PA and Ohio...they are trying to go back to the patronage system. There was a lot of money in it for them and a lot of power and they can't resist that.

mark

[we can do it]

6. When Will This Damn Nightmare End

dammit- I've been working my ass off trying to make things better and they only get worse....i thought we were geting somewhere with obama in 2008 - but he's now scaring me too.

[RKP5637]

8. Yeah, I know what you mean, I've heard the same around here. n/t

[Initech]

14. I really hate to say this, but I feel that I must.

The sad fact is that the tea party - as crazy and scary as they are - got elected. The people who willfully voted for these assholes to get the power they have, honestly, I think deserve what they get. It's the only way we're gonna learn from our mistakes. Honestly, we should not have voted for these people (fuck you Fox News) and we really need to work to overturn Citizen's United, otherwise it's gonna get a whole lot worse.

[bobburgster]

29. Hear, hear!

Couldn't agree with you more!

[spooky3]

34. but what angers me is that many tea partiers LOST in the mid-terms

Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell and many others. Kasich barely won. Yet if you listen to the media, you'd think they all won in landslides.

[BobbyBoring]

36. The problem is

THESE PEOPLE DON'T LEARN!

They swallow the same bullshit every election cycle~

[Initech]

48. That's what pisses me off more than anything.

As people keep listening to the right-wing propaganda machine, we're gonna keep eating their bullshit every time. :argh:

[Angry Dragon]

7. What an ass

[GeorgeGist]

9. ooh Reagan de jevu ...

again.

[Odin2005]

10. This is what Fascism looks like.

Strike! Let the fucking fascist pigs try to attack THE PEOPLE!

[bvar22]

11. Here is something interesting:

You want to talk about red meat for the base? Listen to some of the language the president used. "Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. And a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society." Wow.

How about this one? "Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their choice."

Listen to the way he goes after the right here. "Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things, but their number is negligible and"--and the president says--"their number is negligible and they are stupid."

That is not what Barack Obama said last night. That is way to the left of any national Democrat at this point. That was all Republican President Dwight David Eisenhower. That was all the stuff he said when he was president."
---excerpt from Rachel Maddow

http://www.alternet.org/news/149700

[saras]

41. BEST POST IN WHOLE THREAD!!!

[Little Star]

12. Ohio will be sorry the elected Kasich. He's a corporatist ass-wipe!

He is a very smooth talker. He talks like he is a moderate populist but he ain't.

[lfairban]

23. I'm already sorry!

I am sorry my governor is an idiot.

I didn't vote for him.

[alterfurz]

13. much the same here in Wisconsin...

...where our new governor is following the *exact* same game plan. Such eerie similarity to their every move that these two knobs gotta be colluding!

PS/edit: Walker has hired an *Ohio* security firm to help protect legislators from state worker "unrest" over losing their collective bargaining rights--a company recommended to him by Kasich?!

[EC]

40. Yeah,

this is what they were discussing at the Republican Governors Converences the last two years. Including getting rid of high speed rail. Here is WI it was the small airplane owners and airports whining about rail, they were getting ready to expand - thinking more people (read execs) would be doing small plane travel around the state instead of driving and the train was a threat.

[JVS]

15. Has the NLRB had anything to say about this?

[Raine]

17. They are what they are, what I don't understand

is how/why any Democrat lets them get away with this kind of thing. It seems the Democrats don't put up any kind of fight anymore.

[Rex]

18. If despise and loath are the same

then I am right there with ya. Will enough people learn in time or are we destined to eternal stupidity.

[Curmudgeoness]

19. First, they convinced ordinary working people to hate unions

by convincing them they were overpaid and had too many benefits. No one remembered that even non-union workers benefitted from a higher pay scale to union members. No one thinks that the benefits they enjoy at their job are offered because unions got those benefits.

So now they can blatantly bash unions, threaten to take all their power away, and the people cheer.

[lunasun]

26. and all the people who through our history gave their lives/died to get unions formed

and 8/10 hr workdays and 5day work weeks all the sacrifice for this then to happen here ....disgraceful

To all the mindless jealous idiots who say "I do not get that pay, benefits or right to strike -why should the union workers?"
Shouldn't you BE asking "Why dont I get the benefits and rights that others have?" This country gets more regressive by the minute now.

Min. wage wouldn't even be as high (or equal) as it is if not for the progress made by labor groups

All advances taken for granted now = none was a gift from Mr BossOwner have a clue

[woo me with science]

20. The circle is closing in 1000 different ways. nt

[newtothegame]

24. I wish I could not show up to my job and not get fired :) nt

[we can do it]

31. What Is THAT Supposed To Mean?

[newtothegame]

43. See post 42. nt

[Name removed]

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[provis99]

37. thank you for the Anti-Union Quote of the Day.

Screw you.

[newtothegame]

42. What you're talking about is a perfect world, where everyone strikes together...

and noone works until the strikers grievances are remedied.

THIS WORLD DOES NOT EXIST.

Especially in this economy, if you walk away from your job, not matter how valid your reasons are, someone else will be there to do the work. And they'll have a leg up on you because they're willing to show up to work.

You're pissed at me because I'm telling you that you'll get fired if you don't show up to work? That's not my opinion, that's REALITY. Just because you think a world SHOULD exist doesn't mean it DOES. Don't get pissed at me because your fantasy world doesn't exist.

Would it be great if we all struck together? Yeah.
Would it be great if there was then noone to work the machines and thus our grievances were remedied? Yeah.

But will your job be safe if you convince yourself this world exists right now and you walk away from it right now? Probably not...

[LeftishBrit]

54. This is about the right for unions to strike, not individuals to just decide not to go to work

And if you think unions are a bad thing, or shouldn't have a right to strike: just read a bit of 19th century history; compare peoples' working conditions then and now; and give some thanks to all those people who risked being being not just fired but often imprisoned or even killed to give working people some basic rights!

[indepat]

25. Having lived in Columbus, OH most of the 1980s, Kasich was at the apex of my dispicability list

even then. :patriot:

[Kablooie]

27. So how many public employees in Ohio are Republican? A majority?

[mwb970]

28. Ohio elected a spoiled rich kid to do a man's job.

We threw out the best governor we've had in some time and put in a man-child with his foot permanently in his mouth. Why would anyone vote for a republican? Before he even got in, Kasich threw away $400 million in train money, appointed an all-white-male Cabinet, made plans to privatize everything in sight, and started in on destroying all unions in Ohio.

Electing this awful right-wing governor was a terrible, terrible mistake, one for which Ohioans will pay dearly for many years to come.

[cali]

32. A man's job? really?

casual sexism is still very much with us.

[mwb970]

39. So is excessive sensitivity.

It's just a phrase. The "man" is Strickland. Take it easy, please, I'm no sexist!

[spooky3]

47. you don't get to define "excessive sensitivity" to cali

any more than I get to decide for a black person what is an objectionably racist phrase.

Why don't you try acknowledging cali's point, and simply learn to use the phrase "an adult's job", which--because you are a non-sexist--is what you mean?

[mwb970]

52. Gosh, people.

I was using the phrase about a "boy doing a man's job" literally, in that a man (Strickland) who did a good job as governor was foolishly voted out in favor of a person I consider a boy (Kasich) who is likely to screw up. Thus, the phrase I used, which could be sexist if used in the abstract, was rendered accurate by the fact that it pertains to an actual specific man and an actual specific boy. I did this on purpose. It's called irony.

It is excruciating to have to explain this in such detail, and I'm surprised it's necessary here. Again, I am no sexist, and being accused of being one by people who know absolutely nothing about me is dispiriting.

:eyes:

[cali]

53. let's be clear: I wasn't accusing you of being sexist

I was noting (disapprovingly) the casual use of sexist language, hoping that you'd understand and in the future not use it.

[Tatiana]

30. The unions are going to have to sue and take this to the labor relations board.

God help them. What a mess.

[spooky3]

33. He and his legislative buddies are also trying to renege on very modest state pensions.

Most of the state pension systems are nothing like the extreme cases you hear about in the media (e.g., the firefighter who gets 100% of pay after 20 years of service, or those fully funded by employer contributions). They are good pensions (if you stay there a long time), but nothing more than fair. Employees pay a lot into them. The systems pay relatively little to people who leave before 30 years of service, and even those for who the system is really designed to pay off (e.g., if you stay there 35 years), salaries (e.g., $30K per year for a teacher) are typically low so the pensions are modest.

Employees took the jobs are worked under the terms they agreed to sometimes for many years, often at lower rates of pay than they could have made elsewhere, so they held up their end of the bargain. The state already succeeded in cutting back COLAs, because the fund made very bad investments, but that's not the deal you make when you are in defined benefit plans. But now the Rethugs are trying to renege on their end AFTER the state has benefited from this service. I wish someone would file a class action lawsuit.

[spooky3]

50. GO BIG ED! He's addressing this now.

[fasttense]

35. This is about crushing the Middle Class under the heel of the corporate aristocracy. n/t

[a kennedy]

38. WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???

sorry for yelling, but d*mn it.....Ohio, Wisconsin any other States doing this sh*t???? D*mn. :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Urban Prairie]

44. Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio

The "Great Lakes" states are a whole lot redder than they were last year...:(

[we can do it]

45. Please everyone, call, email show up in columbus. Its now or never.

Please everyone, call, email show up in columbus...tell friends and relatives. Its now or never.


http://www.ohiosenate.gov/directory.html

[Ferretherder]

49. Hey, Ohio,....

...vote ya' some more republicans into office....

....just go on and sink your whole damned state....

Hell, we got 49 more.....

....for the time being.

[lonestarnot]

51. Anybody sitt'n on his stoop with a sign?