Is it going to get any better?

[kentuck]

Or is everything going to decline even further than it is today?

Will wages finally start to go up again? After 30 years with almost no growth, it is unlikely.

Will they save Social Security and the safety net for our people?

Will they finally get out of the unaffordable and unnecessary wars?

Will the Democrats finally decide to defend the interests of the people over those of the corporations?

What is the end game?

[End Of The Road]

1. Welcome to the new normal. Sad to say. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

2. We may be approaching the Malthus Catastrophe.

If we are, then we are all screwed, no matter what party has power.

[SoCalDem]

3. After all the Boomers have died, yes.

:cry:

The powers-that-be have milked our generation for all its worth, and never planned on letting us in on any of it at the ends of our own lives.

The fact that we were such a large generation was the only reason that ANY generational group had any largess along the way. (our extra money paid was what allowed those "GG" folks the decent lives that many of them enjoyed for such a long time). The plan was never for US to benefit..our money was useful, but the government has no use FOR us, once we are no longer pouring gobs of cash into the coffers.. We are S.O.L.

[raccoon]

48. Wish I could rec your post! nt

[H2O Man]

4. It will get worse

for people who already have it bad, and get bad for those now doing okay. And it will go downhill from there.

We are in for a harsh, cold era in the United States.

[Blue_In_AK]

10. Sadly, I agree with you. n/t

[katnapped]

5. For who?

For the nobility, hell yes.

For the rest of us, hope you enjoyed the good times...that's gone.

[BOG PERSON]

6. the US actually has nowhere to go but down

and the end game is, of course, Armageddon.

[RKP5637]

7. Sadly I'm beginning to think the end game is acclimatization. As someone once

posted in another DU thread the good times we had that some of us remember might have been atypical and now we are returning to the norm. That, is a horrible thought. ...but, there is so much money involved now in the buying of politicians and a willing supreme court, I really wonder how the majority of us will dig out of this one.

[kentuck]

11. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia..

Perhaps the last 50 years have been the exception to all our history and there is no way to preserve it? We must now return to the Gilded Age.

[Odin2005]

8. Only if WE THE PEOPLE make it so and fight the Corporatists!

[Bonhomme Richard]

9. I don't see anything changing until the unearned wealth being siphoned off

at the top finds it's way back to the masses. The uber wealthy do not create anything toward society. They are leaches and nothing will change until they personally take a hit.

[XanaDUer]

12. Sorry if this is a downer but, no

I don't think so.

[mmonk]

13. The corporations like low wages.

Try to name a prosperous low wage country. You can't. Low wages further depress economic activity. Dump more and more government employees on the street, you create even less economic activity. Ship all the jobs out looking for even lower wages, it keeps getting worse. Lower wages, less jobs, and more tax cuts, more debt results, more cutting.....we're cannibalizing the country with what we are doing for the multinationals.

[RKP5637]

26. Yep, it's a vicious downhill self-devouring self-perpetuating spiral, demand shrinks,

supply shrinks and wealth shrinks except at the very top with mobile money to cast about to perpetuate their wealth in a globally rigged economy.

[liberal N proud]

14. The answer is none of the above

The people are going to get screwed even more.

[HughBeaumont]

15. That would require a few things:

1) That America collectively stop blaming Democratic politicians and "teh lazee have-too-little welfere queenz" for everything wrong with it.

2) That the American people recognize the true enemies and terrorists of this country - the corporations and the wealthy that run them.

3) That American people stop believing in Horatio Alger.

4) That the American people would all be on the same page with this.

5) That the American people would stop believing everything their corporate-owned "news" channels tell them.

The privileged class isn't going to get the point until they're running for their lives.

And unless we start making them run for their lives, absolutely NOTHING is going to change.

[RKP5637]

27. I would like to add a sixth one. 6) That the American people stop being

so willfully stupid.

[treestar]

16. The world, life, usually continues on and on and on

There is no set end date. Things go up and down. To one extreme and then the other.

[AndyTiedye]

17. The Pendulum Seems to be Broken

It only moves one way.

[mmonk]

18. +1

[KT2000]

19. +1

[The Doctor.]

20. Before the collapse?

No chance. Naturally, I hope I'm wrong, but that hasn't tended to be the case in these matters. I hate that.

Endgame?

Well, they believe they have all the necessary machinations of control in place. Their going to basically do a 'controlled demolition' on us. They have one side programmed to believe their fellow Americans are the enemy, while the other side is desperately trying to educate them... which plays right into the 'They think they're smarter than you!' meme.

So, when the final straw falls, the mindless hordes will be told that radical, freedom-hating liberals are responsible. They'll be given hunting permits, and *poof* we're officially an overtly fascist nation.

[onethatcares]

21. tomorrow,

we have change we can hope to believe in now,

:sarcasm:

[Xenotime]

22. The end game needs to be a new constitution

Something that is more relevant

[sufrommich]

25. No thanks.I'm quite happy with the old one. nt

[lunasun]

30. a teabagger convention somewhere may be looking for your help ..........

How about a different group of folks to interpret the existing one instead???

[stillwaiting]

23. Not until we start an organized, sustained, and effective movement to change our country.

The SYSTEM must be changed before we will ever begin to think about flipping the switch to start shifting wealth/income back to the majority of Americans.

Laws must be changed and we will have to demand they change. Our current system will continue to drain the wealth/income of the remaining middle class.

[Marblehead]

24. if we can't

have any banking reforms, quality of life will get much worse, especially after the next bailout.

[Raine]

28. No IMO it will only get worse

the end game is total control by the corporations and the people will become nothing but units of labor.

[Danascot]

29. Not to worry

When global warming heats up the oceans another couple of degrees, they will die and humankind will soon follow.

[RandomThoughts]

31. Can't get any worse.

So why wouldn't it get better.

Someone is going to send me the beer and travel money that is due.

Why would that be getting worse, the whole world might crumble in the process, but that would be because of the lack of just correction, and those that think they are going to get away with what they are, or are not, doing.

And I was posting that before noticing it was also a metaphor, so some thing trying to co-opt the fact that I am due beer and travel money for some other reason does not do that to help correct the debt of beer and travel money that is due to me, and could be part of the problem, if that due is not corrected.

That is a literal debt that is due to me.

[kentuck]

32. Here !

Have a beer! :beer:

[RandomThoughts]

35. A beer would not correct the beer and travel money issue.

Going to take far more then that.

[kentuck]

36. Sorry...

Beer is all I have. :-(

[RandomThoughts]

37. Don't apologize to me.

My point is this, the things that might help someone, do not really help me, so I share them thinking they might help someone, I could steal then sell them, but that would be wrong, and not how I think about it.

However some think it is them stealing when they are given, and by that intent they are wrong, that does not make that which does not help me have no value, it only means it should be shared to have value somewhere. Although those with wrong intents, it won't help them in the spiritual.

Although you could say that it not helping me get the just due is an indicator of wrong intents on my part, the not helping me is because the help I need is not in the spiritual, and the material group destroys themselves not realizing that.

And I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences.

[kentuck]

38. No need to be hostile.

I take back the beer.

[RandomThoughts]

41. Exactly, refer to the post about closer or further beer and travel money.

And what beer?

[FarLeftRage]

33. No... it will probably get much, much worse

before it get any better... Yes, I'm that cynical.

[Poboy]

34. worse

no
privatized
no
no
surfdom

[On the Road]

39. Depends

If you think the middle of the last decade is better, then yes, things will get better again.

[Kablooie]

40. It will get worse, no question. But there will be no end game.

It will keep spinning until we are all dead and gone.

(or are not exactly dead but live on as electronic brains. See this week's Time Magazine.)

[SaveAmerica]

42. I don't know and I'm tired of not knowing, we need to come up with a plan

There's got to be a way up and out of here.

[opihimoimoi]

43. Help is on the way.....trust me

[right2bfree]

44. Nope. nt

[Lucian]

45. It's going to get worse.

The world isn't all sunshine and puppy kisses and rainbows. It's dark. It's cruel. It's painful. And it sucks. Strap yourself in. It's going to be a long downward ride.

[raccoon]

46. No, Yes, No, If we demand it, If we demand it, Probably not ever,

I just hope I'm not around to see it.

[Autumn]

47. No . I think it's all

down hill from here. The politicians are too entrenched, the wages will not go up, why should they? If these wars ever end, they will find another excuse to go to war. SS well I'm sure you have seen the hand writing on the wall that is THEIR piggy bank to steal from and they are not going to give it back.

Big Question

"Will the Democrats finally decide to defend the interests of the people over those of the corporations?" That is to laugh at. Corporations are their true constituents, not we the people.

Yes I think it will decline more.
As for what is the end game? Who the hell knows. I don't understand my Party any more, what I believed was sacred to them, and me, no longer matters to them.