trayfoot
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:42 PM
Original message |
|
Heard on the news that Walker is sending the State Troopers after the Dems in Illinois. Granted, my knowledge is based on Virginia law, but how the hell can it be legal to send Troopers after citizens who have committed NO crime? Also, once the Troopers cross the border into another state, they have no jurisdiction - with no crime, there can be no "hot pursuit"!!!!! Anyone else confused about this?
|
ejpoeta
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:43 PM
Response to Original message |
| 1. as far as I have heard CREW is demanding an investigation |
|
into the misuse of the state troopers in this way.
|
Jackpine Radical
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:44 PM
Response to Original message |
| 2. I understand they'll be wearing the new uniforms when they go. |
Shagbark Hickory
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #2 |
| 5. Inappropriate to the max. |
Hutzpa
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
| 14. Some of you need to grow a pair |
|
where is your sense of humor? are you Gov. Walker? if so don't you have a job to do.
Koch brothers are looking for you.
Gosh.
|
Shagbark Hickory
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #14 |
| 17. Incredibly insensitive comment. |
Hutzpa
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #17 |
| 22. Incredibly insecure person. n/t |
Shagbark Hickory
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
| 23. Congratulations, you both made it to the same level of decency as GLEN BECK. n/t |
Hutzpa
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Feb-25-11 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #23 |
| 24. And congratulations to you for your suppressive thinking |
|
which is 'we must not do anything to anger the masters on the right'.
|
Hutzpa
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #2 |
| 9. oww SS Major Walker of the Union Busting regime |
|
subordinate of Field Marshall Koch.
|
kudzu22
(426 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:46 PM
Response to Original message |
| 3. Well, that will be interesting n/t |
FBaggins
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:50 PM
Response to Original message |
| 4. Because the state constitution says they can "compel" our attendance |
|
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 06:51 PM by FBaggins
And the police are how the government executes "compel"
That's why our guys are out of state... Beyond the jurisdiction of state police.
|
trayfoot
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
| 7. OK, but.................. |
|
that still doesn't excuse law officers of one state from crossing into the jurisdiction of another state. If they can "legally" compel, then why wouldn't they (Troopers) have to enlist the process of extradition, as in criminals being compelled to return to the state where the crime was committed?
|
FBaggins
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #7 |
| 12. The only way they can go after someone out-of-state |
|
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 07:03 PM by FBaggins
Is with the agreement of that state's authorities.
Which is why they (and the IN legislators) selected Illinois... Run by Democrats.
|
Kennah
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
| 13. The lawmakers might as well be in Canada, because there's no jurisdiction. |
FBaggins
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #13 |
| 16. Unless the state extends them that authority. |
|
That's why they chose a democratic state.
It would be great for the IL senators to go to IN (and visa-versa)... Arguing for each other as part ofthe protests... But the local authorities would coordinate with each other.
|
Kennah
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #16 |
| 19. Well, politics is certainly a whole nutter issue. |
|
If they were in Ohio, Kasich would probably have the Ohio State Police arrest and detain the lawmakers--although since Ohio cops are "idiots" they might not go along for the ride.
|
rustydog
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:53 PM
Response to Original message |
| 6. I understood the troopers went to the lawmaker's homes |
|
There may be provisions in the law for this. The Guv would be the head of state law enforcement and can order them to conduct tasks.
|
Tx4obama
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 06:58 PM
Response to Original message |
| 8. The troopers didn't go over to Illinios, they did not cross state lines |
|
the troopers went to the state senator's homes in Wisconsin to see if they were there during during the night time coming back from Illinois to sleep in their homes.
|
trayfoot
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
|
the news media did not make that distinction.
|
Mac Adams
(15 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
| 21. It's a political stunt |
|
That's all it is. I think it's back firing on Walker because everyone and the kitchen sink know they are in Illinois. It makes Walker look even more like an idiot.
|
Kennah
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:00 PM
Response to Original message |
| 11. I'm not an attorney, on TV or in real life, but here is my two cents from what I know. |
|
A municipal or county police officer likely has all the same police powers anywhere within the state where they are employed as a police officer, except on federal property. However, once a municipal, county, or state police officer police officer leaves that state, they become a private citizen unless they are on official police business. Pursuit of a suspect for a serious crime or prisoner transfer is about it in terms of police operating as police officers across state lines.
Without a warrant, even in Wisconsin, I would think that state troopers physically taking legislators, some of whom might be lawyers or know very good lawyers, into custody would be a very unlikely event.
Across state lines? No warrant? No allegation of a crime? I suspect the Illinois state police would say don't even think about putting a hand on a person in Illinois who is accused of no crime and for which no arrest warrant has been issued.
|
trayfoot
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #11 |
| 15. Based on the story we heard on TV, |
|
This is exactly what my husband (cop) and I (Constitutional expert) thought.
|
Kennah
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #15 |
| 18. Prior to passage of HR218 in 2004 ... |
|
... cops relied upon a mishmash of sometimes confusing state laws to determine if they could even carry a gun across state lines.
In most states, if you were a cop and on official business, you could carry a gun across state lines. However, Washington (until the mid 90s I think) and North Carolina were two states that did not allow even a uniformed cop on official business from another state to carry a gun.
|
dkofos
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Feb-24-11 07:17 PM
Response to Original message |
| 20. Invite them in for a beer, thank them for their support, and decline |
|
their offer of a free ride home.
|
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Sat Feb 14th 2026, 05:33 AM
Response to Original message |