"OKC Teen Arrested for Using Permanent Marker in Class"

[KatyaR]

This is what we've become. I guess I'll have to throw all my work markers away next week....

http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13728873">OKC Teen Arrested For Using Permanent Marker In Class

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Oklahoma City police arrested a teen caught using a permanent marker at Roosevelt Middle School.

According to the police report, the 13-year-old used the marker to write on a piece of paper. The ink bled through the paper and stained the desk.

Teacher Delynn Woodside told police she'd seen the student using the marker earlier, but when she asked him to give it to her, he tried to hide it.

Woodside called police to report the incident and the boy was arrested. He was taken to the Community Intervention Center. He faces charges of possession of a permanent marker on private property.

Have you EVER heard anything so stupid?

[baldguy]

1. Criminal possession of a pen.

:eyes:

Where are the adults?

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[texastoast]

7. Stop that

:spank:

[tomm2thumbs]

19. heh heh - now THAT's funny

[mrmpa]

71. you can't have it on school property because it can't

be used to mark the blocks on standardized tests

[GKirk]

2. I know I'm

going to sleep better tonight.

[givemebackmycountry]

3. Well at least he can't be prosecuted under Sharia Law.

So he'll keep both of his hands.

[gratuitous]

4. Coddling the criminals in Oklahoma

By golly, in places where they respect law and order little Marblehead woulda gotten his juvenile ass tased for his crime.

[Canuckistanian]

5. I'm having difficulty deciding who's the worst idiot here

Either the teacher for calling the cops or the arresting officer who decided it was a criminal act.
:banghead:

[customerserviceguy]

31. Am I the only one here

who thinks that the kid is an idiot for continuing to use the thing, after it was proven to him that it was defacing property that was not his own? If he had simply put it away for good, we wouldn't have even heard about this story.

[Gormy Cuss]

65. Key word: "kid"

Thirteen isn't an age of great wisdom. Not long ago the penalty for this lapse in judgment would've been detention hall or suspension and possibly paying to repair the damage.

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. Kids tag our school

They have tagged it with death threats against the staff. And they were arrested and charged with felonies.

I don't think the kid in the OP should have been arrested but the ones who wrote death threats on the school should have been. Just cause they're kids doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable.

[Gormy Cuss]

82. Again, the subject is permanent ink marring a desk, not death threats.

However, even in the latter case, charging a 13 year old with a felony for tagging a death threat may or may not be overboard -- it all depends on circumstance. For example, "We will kill Mr. X" is many levels more serious than "Mr. X should die a horrible death." The latter is the kind of idle rant common to young teens, the former is clearly a threat even if it's made with no intent. It also matters whether the youths involved have a pattern of violent threats and acts.

[eShirl]

73. but an arrestable offence?

[customerserviceguy]

85. All it showed

was that the adults were willing to match him in stupidity. And that's why we question their actions, because they're supposed to know better.

Perhaps this story will provide a lesson to young and old alike.

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. +1

I still say it was overkill to arrest him. But you're right. If the kid had just done what was asked of him there would be no story.

[walldude]

75. No you are not.

But if you think ARRESTING him was the smart thing to do, well then....

[customerserviceguy]

87. It was no more stupid than the other zero tolerance policies that I've read about

This one at least had a smidgen of actual harm being done.

No, an arrest is not the best way to have handled this, but hopefully it will make some other kids think before they do something an adult tells them not to do, that clearly has a purpose behind the rule being made.

[KansDem]

6. So, this isn't a public school?

He faces charges of possession of a permanent marker on private property.

And when did permanent markers become illegal? :shrug:

[patrice]

10. The aerosol properties of the ink in them make them huffable, so they are banned in a lot of places.

[Angry Dragon]

57. It is city law

[patrice]

8. The movie The Labyrinth was censored out of my Psychology lesson plans in OK

I used it in my unit on Developmental Psychology for years, until I taught in Oklahoma.

[avaistheone1]

9. That is the most stupid school arrest ever.

Thank you Roosevelt Middle School. What a bunch of idiots.

[tblue37]

Accidental dupe. Self-delete. nt

[tblue37]

60. Not quite. See my post #59 below--it is about an even stupider arrest! nt

[gateley]

11. Jeez - is EVERYBODY in the country whack? Thank God I hang out here with all

you sane people! :7

[SoCalDem]

12. I am glad I am a grown up now.. Stuff we did would have landed me in jail...like..

the time we hid a half-full vodka bottle during a locker search (the search was for overdue library books)...back then keeping a book too long was about all they looked for.. (this was Kansas in the mid-to-late-60's)

the time we dumped a bunch of spray cans from the spray-on hair dye we used in the Drama Dept....into the BOILER in the janitor's "lair"..(he used to snooze & we thought it would be funny to have a big BOOM, to wake him up) :rofl:.... We would be doing times now as "terraists"..

like the time we brought a teacher's VW bug into the school though the stage doors & hid it from him, so when school was out, he could not find his car.. It was "on stage"...

[Michigan-Arizona]

47. No kidding SoCalDem

Just before scrolling down to see your reply I was just telling hubby how glad I am that I'm not in school today with the stuff we did as well. We could have all been cell mates, lol.......... I just cannot believe where we are at today as a country, very sad.....

[Morning Dew]

77. LOL. In Jr. High, a group of us kited several cases of copy paper

from the school and ran an Underground Newspaper out of a closet in the school auditorium. I don't recall where we managed to get it mimeographed (heh, THAT long ago), but we had a good time... til we got busted.

These days it would be jail time most likely.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. HAHAHAHA

The Onion?

[opihimoimoi]

14. The GOPers have got this Nation in a dismal flux....this is bizzare

[Odin2005]

15. This world has gone insane.

[notesdev]

16. Have I heard of anything so stupid?

Why yes, yes I have.

Every fucking day when I read the news there's another variant of rules zombies making another innocent person's life a living hell.

Why do you ask?

[FLAprogressive]

17. wonder how many people have been arrested for using dangerous scissors to cut paper?!

[AsahinaKimi]

21. Running with

Scissors could be a crime?

[Mopar151]

22. Praxair took away my X-acto knife

A temp kid in assembly stuck himself with one (wrong tool for the job), so they were banned throughout the plant. If you were in desperate need of one, you had to sign it out, 1 day at a time, from the Safety Manager.
The only utility knives allowed were the ones where the blade retracts when you let go of it.

[Mopar151]

18. I've been "carded" to buy spray paint

In a K-Mart. God forbid you try to do most blue-collar jobs without a Sharpie or a paint marker. and permanent marker WILL come off most smooth surfaces with a couple drops of strong solvent on a rag.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. You can thank the taggers for that

They are the reason you are carded when you buy spray paint.

My school was hit bad last night. The back of the building was covered, windows and everything. They also completely covered the night custodian's car with spray paint. Even the windows. The district maintenance dept spent most of the day cleaning the school up. Like they didn't have anything else to do.

[alphafemale]

51. Most desk surfaces are some type of counter top type surface.

Even a couple drops of hand sanitizer and a tissue will take ink right off of them.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

52. We can't even buy it in Chicago.

[delightfulstar]

20. Unless he was huffing in front of the teacher...

This is overkill. OK is awfully red, so no big surprise.

[wakemewhenitsover]

23. It's a slippery slope, you know.

One minute, he's holding a writing instrument; the next minute, he's expressing himself.

[eppur_se_muova]

27. Can't have that. :thumbsup: nt

[RKP5637]

24. Real progressive down there ... Each day "the Stupid" grows more. n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

25. "possession of a permanent marker on private property"

Are cops just allowed to make up laws now?

If so, that's insane.

If not, those cops should be arrested and charged for impersonating legislators.


Seriously, we're beyond a police state if a crime is whatever a cop says it is.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. That's against the law in many cities now because of tagging

I doubt the cops just made it up.

[FiveGoodMen]

62. Unbelievable

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. I agree the cops over reacted and so did the school

But the law is probably on the books. Taggers are rampant in the urban areas now.

[Vinca]

26. Begs the question . . . "is our children learnin'?"

Oklahoma City might need to pare down the police force if they're wasting time on kids with Sharpies.

[Iterate]

28. For a magic marker? My friend brought C-4 to school,

his own homemade concoction that stunk like hell when he unwrapped it (because he hadn't evaporated all of the acetone, he said). No one would sit next to him, except me, and no teachers seemed to notice.

He wanted to cut off a piece and light it to show me, but I said no need, as one whiff of it made me sure it would burn. He did bring another brick though the next week that was better quality.

That smell followed him around all day.

[knitter4democracy]

30. I had a student make a taser in class once.

I waited to write him up until he tested it on himself first. Heh. Who knew that a disposable camera's an effective taser. :shrug:

[Iterate]

34. I never would have guessed that one,

and will never again underestimate those little cameras.

Any kid with that much initiative (and courage of his convictions) gets a pass from me as well and the hope that he could channel that energy towards a career with NASA or the like.

[knitter4democracy]

35. He's smart enough but has no motivation.

Brilliant kid. He can take apart a computer down to the smallest component and rebuild it. He can do almost anything with electronics. He ended up in our school because of low grades and a love of fire. On the first or second day I subbed there, he set himself on fire. Memorable kid.

[originalpckelly]

44. We used to play with those disposable camera's. I got shocked by one.

"Don't touch that..." And then two seconds later, right in front of a teacher, I let out a long train of expletives. No one did anything. We were cool with the tech teachers, seeing as we were the computer geeks.

[knitter4democracy]

29. Um, we let kids use them in our alternative high school.

We're really good at getting them off of desks. I'm wondering if they left out the kid huffing the marker fumes, but even then, we wouldn't call the cops for that, just confiscate the marker and send him back to class.

[lpbk2713]

32. He's a tairist I tells ya.

I bin sayin all along when magic markers are outlawed only outlaws will have magic markers. :rofl:

[rug]

33. What are they supposed to use to mark their initials on their desks?

If they bring a pocketknife they'll be arrested.

[dixiegrrrrl]

36. Meanwhile: Deutsche Bank admits to long term fraud, DOJ decides not to prosecute.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x84993

Good thing we got our priorities straight.

[jtuck004]

37. What are you in for? "Murder". How 'bout you? "Possession of a permanent

marker on private property".

And they all moved away from 'im on the bench...

[LisaL]

38. I didn't realize possession of a permanent marker on private

property was a crime.
:shrug:

[originalpckelly]

45. They have all kinds of weird laws because of tagging. I remember...

being warned as a kid that I couldn't own a can of spray paint because of the taggers.

[jtuck004]

56. Every adult in that mess should be arrested for a safety violation...

Being in public without a brain.


Happy Holidays, kid. Enjoy the next 5 years of school.

[boppers]

49. Lol @ the reference.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8DtpdXZi0M

[ohheckyeah]

70. LOL

Good one!

[Tyrs WolfDaemon]

72. Of course they moved away...

You would have to be one sick SOB to use it someone else. Just imagine, drawing glasses and a mustache on some poor guy or girl that happened to fall asleep in class. Or worse...

(I had a friend in high school that would find a way to draw a dick and balls on anything and everything. My personal favorite was the microfiche machine. He took the plastic display screen off and drew one in the corner. You couldn't see it until you turned it on.:evilgrin: )

[DainBramaged]

39. Oklahoma, do you even question the logic there?

Tom Coburn and James Inhofe are the Senators, two of the stupidest assholes to ever be elected to the Senate.


And you wonder why Oklahoma has stupid ordinances like this and ARRESTS kids for being kids?


Move to a blue state.

[Dappleganger]

41. Oh my lord, what happens when we run with scissors?

The chain gang??

[Courtesy Flush]

43. That will go on his permanent record.

:bounce:

[TheCentepedeShoes]

46. Since there is no evidence

of Onion here I am asking Scotty to beam me up to Planet Sanity

[HEyHEY]

48. Possesion of a permanent marker? That's bullshit. You can't charge that

There's no way that could hold up in a constitutional challenge, could it?

[The Straight Story]

50. What's next, adults telling other adults they cannot buy a beer and have a smoke together?

Oh wait, we already tell others they cannot freely come together, completely by choice at a place no one has to be, and have a drink and a smoke.

Your body, our choice - the new mantra that so many seem to gravitate to.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

53. The nicotine avenger strikes again!

:)

[Jamastiene]

54. WTFFF

:wtf: What the flying flippity fuck? That has to be dumbest law I have ever heard of. Again, :wtf:

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. WOW!!!! I am astounded

arrested for possession of a writing instrument in a school no-less!

What is next? Arrested for possession of a book? It will not shock me at all at this point.

[Cal Carpenter]

58. Arrested?

A marker?!?

:wtf:

[tblue37]

59. Yep, I have:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2010/02/05/2010-02-05_cuffed_for_doodling_on_a_desk.html

"Queens girl Alexa Gonzalez hauled out of school in handcuffs after getting caught doodling on desk"

A 12-year-old Queens girl was hauled out of school in handcuffs for an artless offense - doodling her name on her desk in erasable marker, the Daily News has learned.

Alexa Gonzalez was scribbling a few words on her desk Monday while waiting for her Spanish teacher to pass out homework at Junior High School 190 in Forest Hills, she said.

"I love my friends Abby and Faith," the girl wrote, adding the phrases "Lex was here. 2/1/10" and a smiley face.

But instead of simply cleaning off the doodles after class, Alexa landed in some adult-sized trouble for using her lime-green magic marker. She was led out of school in cuffs and walked to the precinct across the street, where she was detained for several hours, she and her mother said.

<snip>

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2010/02/05/2010-02-05_cuffed_for_doodling_on_a_desk.html#ixzz18vTDeJo0

And this girl's marker wasn't even a permanent marker!

[FiveGoodMen]

64. Anyone who proposed or passed such laws should be behind bars.

Fuck these worthless goddamned motherfuckers for what they're doing to our country.

We should be at war with them.

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. So how do you propose dealing with tagging?

[FiveGoodMen]

79. Before creation of a police state with laws so ridiculous that pens are illegal

I WOULD PROPOSE LIVING WITH TAGGING.

Everything is a potential weapon. Everything can be used to cause trouble.

If people start poisoning other people's food, will we outlaw food?

Is there ANY restriction on human behavior that you oppose?

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. Do you have any idea how much gang violence is inspired by tagging?

Addressing it is not a wasted effort. I'd rather curb the violence than just live with it. But that's just me I guess.

[alphafemale]

86. I would propose alternate sentencing.

Not only does the offender have to clean up a "tagging." (not probably their own...since the wheels of justice turn slow....and there's always new graffiti every morning.) But they should also be forced to dress in a a pink tutu as they clean it up. And it's posted to YouTube. Shame the little vandal bastards.

[proud2BlibKansan]

91. I can go along with pink tutus

LOL

[Hannah Bell]

61. well, this sounds idiotic on the part of the teacher & the cops but i suspect there's more to the

story -- not that it would be likely to excuse such an idiotic charge.


Innovation at Roosevelt Middle School Is a Matter of Principal

Marilyn Vrooman is in her fourth year as principal of Roosevelt, an Oklahoma City school with an enrollment of over 900 inner city adolescents in grades six through eight.

Making a difference — in student behavior, in academics, and in the time-worn building itself — has been her focus.

Faced with serious behavioral issues, an outdated building in a gang-ridden neighborhood, and young students whose academic lives were drowning in social and cultural issues they were not equipped to handle, she garnered her resources, her energies, and her work crew — a group of at-risk students who had run out of alternatives. The results are incredible.

No more lockers

Lockers at Roosevelt are no longer used due to high incidences of crime and hiding of contraband.

In Roosevelt’s case, the lockers were mounted on concrete slabs in large niches up and down the corridors, and these areas — in addition to being eyesores — had become hotspots for vandalism, graffiti, and fighting. So four years ago, Ms. Vrooman and her “community service team” undertook their first Summer Project: removing the full-length metal lockers from these areas....

http://www.mrsh.org/mrsh_action/success_roosevelt_ms.php


looking at comments from ok, some say huffing (getting high off the fumes) is the reason for the ban.

[treestar]

63. Well if it is against the law in Oklahoma City

I guess he can be arrested for it. It is hard to believe the state of Oklahoma has such an offense. It might be for defacing public property.

[emilyg]

67. We've gone nuts.

[kittykitty]

68. In many cases it can be removed with hairspray. It works on fabric, but

but on a Formica type surface, it might be lightened, but permanent.
Just ordinary hair spray, applied a few times on fabric and rubbed a bit, then laundered immediately.

Edit, Spelling.

[walldude]

78. Never heard of a Magic Eraser?

It removes marker. And this is the stupidest thing I have read all week. Considering the Republicans have had quite a week that is really saying something.

Also, I wonder what this cost? How much to arrest the kid arraign him and have him appear before a judge. How much in legal aid, in time, in paperwork... for a fucking magic marker.

[MadMaddie]

80. So why not send him to the principals office and then have his

parents come get him. Why not suspend him for a day.

Having him arrested? Ridiculous, he was writing on paper and not directly on the desk so was there really intent?

:wtf:

[Mortos]

83. The OP intentionally edited the portion of the article he or she posted

Which makes what happened a little more understandable.

The portion the op left out:

"Teacher Delynn Woodside also said she saw the student writing on the desk."

I live in OKC, gang problems are epidemic in most of the inner city schools. There is a zero tolerance policy on grafitti. Some of the worst schools have School Resource officers who work at the schools every day. That is all they do is police the campuses. There are all sorts of crimes committed in the schools ranging from vandalism to assault to rape yes, even in middle schools. Roosevelt is a school for at risk kids. Gang grafitti results in kids getting the living shit beat out of them before, during or after school. Damaging school property is a crime and it is one that costs the taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars a year. The kid didn't go to jail, he went to CIC which is a juvenile detention facility.

Due to privacy rules for juveniles, we have no idea if this was the child's first offense or 20th. We don't know if the kids was in a gang or not but we know for sure the kid knew he wasn't supposed to have that marker because he lied to the teacher when she asked him for it and hid it from her. A teacher can't put hands on a child for fear of being sued so that's when the police are called.

Selective editing to make the story seem more outrageous is what Fox news does.

[Brilliantrocket]

84. Selective editing is b.s.

Stop editing stuff out to make the situation seem outrageous. That can be left to Fox. If the kid really was writing on the desk, he deserved some repercussion, but not arrest.

[MadBadger]

88. Then Send him to the principal's office!!

It doesnt make it more understandable at all!

[Mortos]

89. Comment from someone with firsthand knowledge

First of all, most students at Roosevelt know that markers are not permitted at school. Second, I know this teacher and she is happy when students come to class. Third, there is a HUGE gang tagging problem at Roosevelt. The tagging instrument of choice, permanent marker. And finally, most of you have no idea what really goes on at inner-city public schools. As usual everyone wants to demonize the teachers and the schools. The teacher was just doing her job and the student was breaking the law. Most likely the student won't spend much or any time in juvie. He probably got sent to CIC because his parent couldn't or wouldn't pick him up. Let's stop blaming the teachers and start holding parents and STUDENTS responsible for their actions. By the way anyone who wants to be a public school teacher can try to go be one. Let's see how long you would last.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

90. The kid was a threat.

The pen is mightier than the sword!