My WI Congressman ( Ron Kind's office) and I need some help determining if a man is alive or dead.

[bobthedrummer]

Many people and organizations have joined us in this effort-including some DUers.
Below is a 1988 newspaper article photo of the man.



Thanks in advance for your assistance.

[RandomKoolzip]

1. These are all the "Krienert"s I could find in the Social Security Death Index...

http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi

Is the spelling correct? I'm a reference librarian and I may be able to help you out, but the surest source is the SSDI...and this is all they had. The first name retrieved no results.

[bobthedrummer]

3. Thanks for your effort, I post from my library and have to go offline now.

I'll check on this thread tomorrow.

[bobthedrummer]

2. He goes/went by the name Eugene "Tiny" Krienert

When my Congressman's office spent an entire day trying to determine a simple fact like that and failed I got the green light.

Btw, for the record this started in August of 2009 with my Congressman's office-but actually goes back 42 years.

[Scuba]

4. Looks familiar. Last known address???

[bobthedrummer]

7. Homeless...travels/traveled quite a bit n/t

[bobthedrummer]

5. One last note-2 Wisconsin State Senators (Kapanke and Hansen) are aware of my efforts.

Hansen is one of the "Fab14". Kapanke verified to me he had seen this pic.

[PoliticAverse]

6. 2003 DU thread on this issue...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x38905

[bobthedrummer]

8. All else aside want to assist us-my Congressman's office and many others are focused on the status

of "Tiny" now-including past and current law enforcement.

[bobthedrummer]

9. As a side note-Gov. Walker did discuss he thought about using operatives in that prank call

Walker thought was from David Koch.

[PoliticAverse]

10. In your 2003 thread...

You indicate he claimed to be a bounty hunter named "Tiny Boyles".

Googling 'Tiny Boyles' indicates his real name was "William Boyles".

Googling "William Boyles" and "bounty Hunter" returns many results, including pubished books:

http://www.amazon.com/Deadliest-Profession-Bounty-Hunter-No/dp/0872168042

[bobthedrummer]

12. Fwiw, "Tiny" did visit Washington DC in January 1990 in an event sponsored by the DC homeless

activist Mitch Snyder (deceased).



on edit: that's him on the left preparing to spend the night under a DC overpass.

[csziggy]

11. One tree on Ancestry lists a Eugene Norman Krienert

Living so the personal information is suppressed. His mother, with the same last name as her maiden name, is also still listed as living. Father listed as Norman Eugene Dather, also living. Her parents are listed as dead.

There is no contact information for the person who posted that tree - they may have posted it before the website was purchased by Ancestry.

[bobthedrummer]

13. This man did, in fact, walk free from a federal grand jury held in Milwaukee in 1970.

At that time many people testified to the fact that he was a murderer and human trafficker, yet he was never charged with anything.

I remember him, so do others involved in this simple search to determine if he's still living.

It's about justice and the fact that there is no statute of limitations in The United States of America for murder.

It's possible that he is in a federally protected witness program, but no one knows for sure.

Keep this thread kicked if you want to help those of us involved in this effort.

[bobthedrummer]

14. Congressman's Kind's WI CoS Loren Kannenberg is interested because

he couldn't find out this man's status last December.
An attorney was also present-so this isn't about me it's about justice.

Both Mr. Kannenberg and the attorney heard me state that this "Tiny" did, in fact walk free from a federal grand jury in Milwaukee in 1970 and that people testified that he commited a murder and was engaged in human trafficking.

Join us in our efforts, which will continue regardless of all else. It's about justice for all.

[hfojvt]

21. how old was he in 1970?

41 years ago, he must be over 60.

[bobthedrummer]

15. ^

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. There's a Eugene M Krienert, age 61, in Lincoln, Nebraska

http://www.usidentify.com/eugene-krienert

Could be a start...

[robertpaulsen]

19. That might be the right age, judging by the date of the OP pic.

What do you think, Bob?

[bobthedrummer]

23. I'm 61, if still living I think he would be 63-66 n/t

[robertpaulsen]

16. K & R & bookmarked. Let's hope this search yields the truth!

:kick:

[robertpaulsen]

17. Once more!

:kick:

[bluesmail]

20. And again.

:kick: From what little I know of MK Ultra well, :scared:

[bobthedrummer]

22. ^^^ n/t

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

24. I'm going to try to be in Madison tomorrow with some former organized corrections people

and meet up with current and past law enforcement members that are involved in our search.

If I don't get to Madison there are many other places to enlist volunteers in this tiny bit of justice seeking.

This man represents to me, for one, what Walker "thought" about opening up Wisconsin to do "business" with in that pranked "David Koch" phone call.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: