Ironic... I'm Feeling As "Underground" Now, As I Did With GW At The Helm...

[WillyT]

The White House shuts down DNC support of Labor as a DISTRACTION???

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ???

The National Dems and the White House had better wake the fuck up and smell the movement!

Or did the DLC close its doors because it now resides in the White House???

:wtf:

:banghead:

:argh:

:beer:

[walldude]

1. Lies! All Lies!!

Or not.

Are you just getting here man? It's been quite a day...

[WillyT]

17. Yeah... Just Got Off Work, And Taking 81 Year Old MommaT To The Doctors...

Martinis are up!

:evilgrin:

:hi:

[proud patriot]

43. I hope MommaT is feeling better

:hug:

[DJ13]

2. I think they closed the DLC because the Koch bros were contributers

Move the operation into another building (1600 Pennsylvania ave) and lose the name to avoid the backlash.

[bobbolink]

7. SHHH! The program wasn't supposed to be released yet.

:hi:

[DJ13]

18. ooops!

Sorry

:blush:

:hi:

[bobbolink]

22. The first day of Lent, and you've already dinged a penance....

:rofl:

[Ken Burch]

94. Are you sure? These days, nobody can AFFORD meat or chocolate!

n/t.

[fadedrose]

3. It's worse now than with Bush

because then we had hope. There's very little hope now of achieving what we'd hoped for when Obama ran.

And I hate like hell to criticize because he's our man and in my heart I know I should support him, but it's getting harder every day.

[tridim]

5. Damn Obama for pulling us back from the abyss.

Yea, he's so much worse than Bush, mods.

[fadedrose]

14. He is NOT worse than Bush...

We are worse off because our hope seems to be gone. No real health care, and the poor and middle class are getting cuts and our unions are in trouble.

You should take a class in reading comprehension.

Obama is 1000 times better than Bush, but he failed to meet our high expectations which resulted in a loss of hope of hardly anything ever being better.

[DJ13]

19. +1

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. +1

[ixion]

23. The Obama Administration has continued and in fact furthered MANY

NeoCon policies. On the major issues, this is a Bush third term, whether you like it or not.

[hay rick]

117. +

[TheWraith]

29. Expecting a miracle and then being pissed when you don't get it is not Obama's fault.

If you believed that any president was going to be able to pass single payer healthcare, or turn the economy around immediately despite the Republicans' best efforts otherwise, you were expecting the impossible.

[fadedrose]

37. Expecting a miracle and then being pissed "on," you mean..

It's one thing not to get miracles, but another to be put down because of progressive ideas. Did almost every country in the world have a miracle that improved their life styles? We are not No. 1 in anything except blaming Republicans. No, I take that back, the administration officials are No. 1 in blaming Progressives, not Republicans, for all their troubles. In that they excel. You seem to be a leader of the group. Congratulations.

[Enthusiast]

59. Damn good post! nt

[Nevernose]

44. I didn't expect a miracle.

I did expect effort. I also expected to see a repudiation of most Bush policies rather than a continuation, some research into issues before setting a national policy on those issues, a willingness to stand up for what what's right rather than what's most politically expedient at the moment. Maybe some long term planning. I don't think any of those things would have required a miracle, just common sense and courage.

It would have been nice to see some of those bankers who ripped us for a trillion dollars go to prison. All of them would, as you put it, required a miracle, but I would have been happy with just a couple of them. Would have been good for the economy in the long term, too, as would speaking out against "free trade."

On a "positive" note, though, gays now have the right to get their brains splattered across some desert sand dune or come home to their folks a mental and/or emotional cripple or blow the fuck out of some peasant schoolchildren, all for some totally pointless, completely useless, nation-crippling foreign imperialism -- just like straight people can. He got that one thing right. Of course, he's still not sure if those people should be allowed to get married...

[Enthusiast]

61. Great post! nt

[DRex]

86. You ARE enthusiastic! I like it! eom.

[femrap]

68. +1000

This president does as he is told by Wall Street and Corporations. This is a fascist nation now. We, The People are on our own. I expect nothing from this gov't except more pain....and ever more ways to Divide and Conquer us.

Alas, the only solution I see is to form local cooperative groups so to get by and eke out some sort of living.

[Bake]

114. +10,000,000,000,000,000

He does what he is told. I'm sure the Official Obama Defenders will leap to his defense, but honestly ...

Still in Afghanistan? Check.
Gitmo still open? Check.
Tax cuts for the rich? Check.
Ignore Libyan revolution? Check.

The only --ONLY--thing this Administration is decisive about is kissing the Chamber of Commerce's ass, sucking Jeff Immelt/GE's d***.

Sigh.

Bake

[cui bono]

75. +1

[tpsbmam]

120. I so agree, love your last paragraph, and I add....

I expected him to be honest. I expected him to do his best to fight for the things on which he campaigned. I'm not naive -- I know politicians don't keep all their promises and often have to make nasty compromises. But the decent politicians in my lifetime, and there have been quite a few, have been true to the person they said they were when running for office. To use two familiar examples, Russ Feingold & Bernie Sanders. They bloody well are who they said they were when they ran for office. Barack Obama is not.

In my lifetime, I have never seen a politician be so duplicitous about his beliefs and his goals in office. I've never seen a politician who presented him/herself as progressive and then turn out to be so conservative in incredibly important areas. I've never seen one who was so supported by a wide variety of people who then turned once in office and essentially flipped them the bird while cozying up to the very politicians, titans & corporations he campaigned against, the ones responsible for destroying our economy & our country, making spying on Americans accepted, making fucking torture an American policy...I've never seen one who promised to get lobbyists out of the White House who, instead, hires them and consults with them to the exclusion of anyone who proposes ideas & actions other than what the corporate world wants.

Sorry for those who still believe in him. I feel totally duped and sickened every time I read yet another vile thing that's been done by the man I campaigned for, contributed to, voted for and urged others to vote for. The man I believed in.

:grr: :puke:

[Enthusiast]

125. Nice addition. nt

[eridani]

54. Winning everything would be a miracle, and I didn't expect that. What I did expect

--was an honest to god FIGHT for everything, win or lose. I didn't expect him to turn the economy around, but I did expect him to acknowledge that changes in the business cycle are irrelevant to the ongoing disaster we are in, that he wants solutions that are big enough for the problem, and that it is big money and Republicans that are blocking those solutions.

[FredStembottom]

72. Thank you a thousand times over, eridani!

These folks who chime in over and over and over with the "so you hate him because he didn't change everything in the world overnight with a wave of a magic wand" crap is almost too much to bear any longer.

I was not only not expecting "every last problem since the dawn of time" to be fixed, I was expecting, possibly, no real progress at all. What I did expect was a Democratic administration spending their time refuting the lies of the Republicans! Lies so easily refuted I suspect the admin. could have had that wrapped up in a couple months if they had wanted to.

I didn't expect a Democratic administration that would bolster the lies. Triangulate with total lies. Cave-in to utter fabrication. (Although I had great worries of that even before O was elected when his speeches adopted the Radical Right's "free markets" framing ).

Why do they refuse to refute the lies?

[Enthusiast]

126. "Why do they refuse to refute the lies?"

It is glaring and right in our face. And it is a huge disappointment.

[liberation]

80. So expecting the rule of law to be respected is a "miracle" now?

Wow, talk about lowering expectations.

Maybe next time this administration should tone it down with the campaign slogans if you're going to be treating them as hot smoke.

[defendandprotect]

83. Didn't the new, new rules call for an end to the pink pony, chess game, miracle game-playing?

[sabrina 1]

110. Who was expecting miracles?

Did you tell people during the campaign that they were 'expecting miracles' when they were supporting the Dem. candidate based on his positions on issues like, eg, Offshore Drilling?

I don't recall anyone saying to me 'you know, Sabrina, if you think he can keep that ban going you're going to be sorely disappointed. That would take a miracle'!

Here I thought it was a given especially after listening to Obama slam McCain when he mentioned lifting it.

So was McCain just being a realist after all? Were we really just wild-eyed dreamers hoping for a miracle on Offshore Drilling?

Gee, I wish SOMEONE would have told me, I would have paid more attention to what McCain was saying rather than just dismissing him.

When did it dawn on Obama that the man he slammed for his opinion on Offshore drilling, was actually the realist while he was telling people he could work miracles??

I love these attempts to blame the voter for the lies and the broken promises of the politicians. Do you actually think they work? Take my word for it, we are not that stupid, no one is that stupid.

Try something else please, this is just old and extremely annoying.

[Raine]

50. Exactly! nt

[cui bono]

74. +1

Some people are such blind followers they can't even see logic and truth anymore.

[Ken Burch]

95. How about...Obama is worse than Obama, then?

n/t.

[Speed8098]

102. +1

[caseymoz]

115. Look at his record in restoring rights and limiting executive authority, he's worse.

The only way he's a 1,000 times better than Bush is that he's that much more competent. It is a relief that you can't make whole websites around his gaffes, which means, unlike Bush, you can't make excuses for him.

[ArcticFox]

116. Know what?

He failed even to meet my low expectations

[bowens43]

118. In what way is he better?

Seriously. Tell me because I don't see it. All the worst of the bush policies he continued or expanded. He has done NOTHING that he said he would do.
Lip service and that's it.

Once he sat down in the big chair he didn't even try to deliver on his promises.

[WillyT]

21. Don't Put Words In My Mouth...

And then run to the Mods.

:wtf:

That is not what I said, AND YOU KNOW IT.

[roguevalley]

45. considering the disappointment that covers so many of us, yes its

worse because we expect it from those other fuckers, not our own,

[Raine]

51. Exactly on point nt

[defendandprotect]

84. Keep in mind, demoralizing the left, eliminating all hope is a prime goal of the rw...!!

We have to see this for what it really is all about -- organized crime --

and react to it as we would organized crime.

Look at what capitalism and its dictators and global arms running have done to the

Arab states, for one -- and what they're going thru in Egypt and Libya --

The right wing are trying to push us to violence -- they've been trying to create a

violent society since the 70's -- and Drug War is certainly a part of it -- GOP/NRA --

GOP/"Pro-life" murderers -- GOP/T-BAGGERS with rifles slung over their shoulders.

GOP financed the Christian Coalition in the '80s -- Richard Scaife financed Dobson's

organization -- and other wealthy right wingers financed Bauer's group.

It's all fiction --

As Cheney loved to say -- "The rw creates the realtiy and the rest of you live it" --

[roguevalley]

87. first of all, saying what you believe at this moment doesn't predict

future behavior. Secondly, I am sick of this being slammed against everyone who has a thing to say that might be actually less worshipful of him than perhaps what I might say tomorrow. I don't need a lecture on what the GOP wants or hopes. I can remember when dems were dems and not republican lite

[defendandprotect]

93. Think you misunderstood my post --

Mainly what I was trying to say is that we have to go on -- and in order to do

that we have to understand the past and what the rw has actually done!


Maybe this one will help?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=609590&mesg_id=617794

[roguevalley]

100. Probably. :) Had bad news. Will go there and look. But still,. this

incessant don't criticize because you are aiding the enemy is working my last nerve.

[defendandprotect]

105. Are you kidding? I'm a MAJOR criticizer ---

always on the issues --

No -- that's not at all the way I mean it --

criticize away!!

What I was trying to get to -- obviously awkwardly -- was the long list of people

who are very down about this -- me included!

We have to understand how much of this is due to rw violence and rw deception --

and how fake much of it is --

That was all I was trying to do --

again -- evidently poorly!

I'm as much against that nonsense of "don't criticize you're aiding GOP" as you are!!


:)

[roguevalley]

124. bless you, my darling. Thank you. I needed this tonight.

[defendandprotect]

129. Thank you -- !!

:hug:

[inna]

49. vile and despicable comment

on your part

[Enthusiast]

62. I agree.

Vile!

[MissDeeds]

96. Agree n/t

[defendandprotect]

82. Trampling universal health care was "pulling us back from the abyss"...???

Here's Rahm "crowing" about how Obama saved the PRIVATE health care industry --

and how "grateful" business should be overall for what they've done!!


”In a Thursday interview, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel argued that rather than recoiling against Obama, business leaders should be grateful for his support on at least a half-dozen counts: his advocacy of greater international trade and education reform open markets despite union skepticism; rejection of calls from some quarters to nationalize banks during the financial meltdown; the rescue of the automobile industry; the fact that the overhaul of health care

preserved the private delivery system;

the fact thatbillions in the stimulus package benefited business with lucrative new contracts, and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B2F85DDF-18...


If that doesn't make you sick to your stomach, nothing will -- !!

[howmad1]

103. Yea, tell that to millions who were foreclosed......

....while Obama and friends were schtupping money to their banking buddies. Brink of the abyss, my ass.

[Enthusiast]

58. These actions are designed to

discourage us so we won't come out and vote in 2012.

[AsahinaKimi]

4. I am begining to wonder who is on our side anymore

When the people who represent us, turn their backs and pretend to be blind and deaf. Its all about the money.. They are trying to suck us dry,..on many levels.

[Electric Monk]

10. Bill Hicks (r.i.p.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ

[Taverner]

98. And from George Carlin (also R I P)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

[malmapus]

25. I look to Bernie Sanders and Al Franken now.

They still seem to be the real deal.

[WillyT]

27. Yep... Two Guys... And Only One Of Them Is A Democrat...

:shrug:

[malmapus]

30. I know, go figure eh =)

..

[defendandprotect]

89. Bernie Sanders is more of a Democrat than many Democrats and can run on Dem ticket -- !!

[defendandprotect]

88. Couldn't be done without destruction of Dem Party and Congress going along ....

We have elected officials who are pre-bribed and pre-owned by corporations --

Are we really waiting for millionaires and multi-billionaires in Congress to legislate and

vote to benefit the general welfare?




The Rightwing Koch Bros Funded the DLC --

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414


If YOU knew this, why didn't you tell us about it?

If you didn't know about this, please pass it on -- !!

:)



AND ...

Rahm Crowing about how business should be grateful to Obama -- 8/12/10 --

”In a Thursday interview, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel argued that rather than recoiling against Obama, business leaders should be grateful for his support on at least a half-dozen counts: his advocacy of greater international trade and education reform open markets despite union skepticism; his rejection of calls from some quarters to nationalize banks during the financial meltdown;rescue of the automobile industry; the fact that the overhaul of health care

preserved the private delivery system;

the fact that billions in the stimulus package benefited business with lucrative new contracts, and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B2F85DDF-18...

[rzemanfl]

6. The stupid was easier to handle than the detached. n/t

[defendandprotect]

90. W wasn't stupid -- and neither is Obama detached ....

the destruction each has done was not from absent-mindedness or not paying

attention --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=609590&mesg_id=617794

[WilliamPitt]

8. Then they came for you.

http://www.truth-out.org/then-they-came-trade-unionists68363

[whatchamacallit]

9. I don't feel the disappointment and pain anymore. I let him go a while back. (n/t)

[Systematic Chaos]

16. Same. Now I'm just counting down until the start of the hot civil war.

:(

[femrap]

70. I was thinking this gov't

was working toward a WW3 that is a big Crusade of Xtians/Jews against the Muslims....big step taken yesterday by Rep. King of NY w/ his Congressional Hearing on Extremist Mosques.

Of course, I can see the Civil War thing too....if we don't go along w/ the Crusade, we'll be encamped as well.

I need to go :hide:

[howmad1]

112. Is there really such a thing as a CIVIL war?

[sarcasmo]

11. Once again a politician who takes no action when action needs to be taken.

[Rabblevox]

12. Bush stole our freedom and our congress. Obama stole our hope. /nt

[NorthCarolina]

13. The DLC only closed it's DLC "brand". They now call themselves "New Dems",

but they're still out there, AND in the White House.

[Poboy]

15. R'd

[malmapus]

24. Feeling the same way, myself.

Found myself becoming more of a lurker these last couple of years. But now, the way things are going, I've come back more. We have a DEM admin? Are we sure?

[WillyT]

26. That's What I Was Told...

:shrug:

:hi:

[liberalmuse]

28. I don't know what to think anymore, except...

any nation that elects someone like George W. Bush is not made up of the best and brightest. Expecting a great man to emerge from the dumbed-down, slobbering masses was simply delusional on my part. Sadly, I think the last of the great men were gunned down in the 1960's by the same ilk of motherfuckers who've been wanting absolute power (and at times, have gotten it) since time began.

[timtom]

46. We are DEFINITELY on the same page. nt

[reggie the dog]

55. America didn't elect W, he cheated, twice

[defendandprotect]

91. +1000%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=609590&mesg_id=617794

[BobbyBoring]

101. As long as we continue to say he was elected

our problems will continue. He was not elected, he was selected. They could not allow Gore to win period. I also think Obama is doing what he's doing so he doesn't end up like "one of the last great men".

That's how deep it goes

[notesdev]

31. Welcome to the club

felt that way ever since the nomination of Tim Geithner

[ReggieVeggie]

32. You are not of the body!

LANDRU! GUIDE US!

[area51]

53. LOL. n/t

[Iris]

33. You're not the only one.

:(

[somone]

34. The guy just made the pilgrimage on foot from the White House to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce

a few weeks ago. He's not gonna screw up whatever deal he made with them.

[Kurovski]

35. Underground ,but not ground under.

Damnit.

[ReggieVeggie]

36. kickin it

[NillaWafers]

38. Been There. Done that.

I keep trying to fit in with the Democratic Party but they keep narrowing the credentials needed to be a member.

I've been a lifelong Liberal. And now, even the Democrats won't utter that term.

I'm a Liberal. Liberal. Liberal. And unapologetic about it.

[FiveGoodMen]

77. "I'm a Liberal. Liberal. Liberal. And unapologetic about it."

Me too!

:fistbump:

Shame on those who deserted us!

[MissDeeds]

97. Yes! I'm a liberal too

And damned proud of it!

[Blue_In_AK]

39. I'm right there with you, WillyT. n/t

[jillan]

40. I feel like I did in college when this guy I liked told me he loved me, I believed him, slept with

him and then he started hitting on my friends. (but in this case, the republicans are not my friends).

I feel used.

[Name removed]

41. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jillan]

42. If you insult the people here on Democratic Underground for having a debate & continue to compare us

to Karl Rove, don't be surprised if your time here is cut short.

This is a political forum. We love to debate.

[Kalun D]

47. You are Assuming

that the dems and the repugs are two different teams, the dems are for the workers and the repugs are for the corporations

you are wrong. It's like the WWF, the conflict is fake

aside from a few notable exceptions the dems are for the corporations especially the white house.

I'm speaking on a national level, it hasn't got quite as bad at the state level but it's getting there.

[Enthusiast]

64. WWF........yup.

Valid observation.

[Myrina]

85. +1000, unfortunately.

As Frank Zappa said (paraphrase): "once it becomes too expensive for them to maintain the illusion, then all the props will come down."

I think we're just about at that point. Sigh :(

[Name removed]

48. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Enthusiast]

63. It's called betrayal. nt

[Divernan]

106. Excellent analogy!

[Raine]

52. I feel the same, all hope is gone. nt

[ehrnst]

56. Walker is trying to implicate Obama in the recall effort - the GOP *wants* Obama to jump in.

So they can say it was him, and not the people that started this movement.

[Enthusiast]

65. They will say

the most outrageous things about Obama no matter what he does. Maybe he should just do the right thing for once. Anyway, this a huge populist movement. It would only strengthen Obama to participate.

[jefferson_dem]

67. Of course they do.

The teabaggin' Republicans would desperately love to change the subject, to adjust the framing...

Why do some of my Democratic friends feel so destined for political failure?

[Kalun D]

128. Obama is not destined for failure due to the Union base

he already IS a failure

[Divernan]

111. The defenders of the faith have been running that spin here for weeks -

Obama talked the talk during the campaign - but he doesn't walk the walk. Was it LBJ who said "Money talks and bullshit walks."? Well Obama only talks to and listens to the folks with money. Wall Street, Big Banking and the wealthiest 5% are his Best Friends Forever. The rest of us have gotten the bullshit - called "fucking retarded" (with apologies to the mentally disabled) and sold out on issue after issue.

If the GOP really wanted Obama to jump in, his reply would be, he'd do it.

[Enthusiast]

57. +1 National Dems and the White House?

Wake up? They are wide awake and carrying on exactly as they were told.

[woo me with science]

60. Yup. nt

[jefferson_dem]

66. Meh...

An unsourced indirect quote burried in a week-old NYT write up... Not worth all the "sky is falling, they hate us" drama, in my opinion.

[Divernan]

113. We all know your opinion - never any surprises there.

[jefferson_dem]

133. Well, at least I'm consistent.

:hi:

[Bandit]

69. Who else you going to vote for?

"fucking retards"

[Ratty]

71. I'm wondering if it's his intelligence

I'm struggling to come to terms with all this as well. Yesterday I was wondering if I was coming at this as if this were George W. Bush. A moron who thought being president was a do-nothing frat boy job with little consequence and lots of vacations like any of the corporations he ran into the ground. He came in as the decider and thought that was all there was to it. With Obama you have a highly intelligent individual who approaches the role with reverence and cognizant of the consequences of any misstep. People compare him to Bush but I've been wondering whether the problem is that he's too far in the opposite direction.

Whatever. Still just ust trying to give him the benefit of the doubt I guess.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

73. Hello from the SF Underground!

:hi:

Yup, I know the feeling you are describing. The past two years have opened my eyes poltically like they have never been opened before.

It's been freeing and terrifying.

Right now I feel as if we are trying to turn the Titanic -- and it ain't going so well. :(

[27inCali]

76. I have that "underground" feeling too, around DU

So many people here spend all day making crazy demands about exactly what to the most minute detail the President must say and do and then castigate him when he does something else no matter how smart and logical that something else is.

It doesn't matter how smart or how right what he is doing is, they still find something wrong even if that something has to be total fabrication or vague postulation with no real factual support, almost like they think he is GWB.

There are plenty of things to criticize in this administration, but even when the Admin. get something astoundingly right, here comes the flood of short-sighted criticism which always amounts to "He needed to knock some heads, he did pound his fist, wasn't enough of a reckless firebrand! and all these other keyboard warrior tough guy fantasies" when in truth, his whole selling point and one of the main things people lauded him for during the election was his cool-headedness.

and as far as the movement..........

The Movement is stronger if the Dem National Party DOES NOT put their face on it. Right now there are a ton of R voters protesting in Wis, creating massive fissures in the R party that will kill them in 2012. How long will that last if Obama and a bunch of other national level Dems show up and make it about them? It's strategy, which means, not always doing the emotionally satisfying thing, because what the base would find emotionally satisfying, is BAD FUCKING STRATEGY.

[mochajava666]

78. Corporatist is as corporatist does

[ElsewheresDaughter]

79. yup we know where that DLC be living

[defendandprotect]

92. DLC eroded Democratic Party --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=609590&mesg_id=617794

[Starbucks Anarchist]

119. The irony of a major Hillary fan upset with the DLC.

:rofl: :rofl:

And don't tell me you weren't a supporter of hers. Dozens of links can prove you wrong.

[EFerrari]

121. The primaries are still over. n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

122. Yet mind-numbing hypocrisy lives on.

:rofl:

[90-percent]

81. Our problem

Our problem is that we expected the people we elected in 2008 to represent us.
We can no longer depend on leaders to get the change done. It seems like this bottom up dictatorship overthrowing in the middle east is the way to go.

WE GOT TO GET THE 98% OF US TO WORK IN SOLIDARITY TO DEFEAT THE 2% of THEM!

-90% Jimmy

[MissDeeds]

99. Excellent post, WillyT

And much needed. We mustn't lose sight of the fact that we are the party of The People.

K&R

[Corruption Winz]

104. I have to be honest...

I think some people expect too much from Obama. People say they don't want him to make miracles happen, but he should put up a fight. Well, we can't really comment on how much of a fight he's put up. Putting up a fight isn't about the words you use, it's about what you do. As far as I can see, he's doing good and bad. Like everyone else.

If you expected too much, then that's your fault. Not his.

[Divernan]

107. So honestly tell us all what prompted your recent appearance.

I certainly agree with you the proof of the pudding is in deeds, not words. On the whole we at DU, especially those of us who have been here for years, are very well informed as to what Obama promised(words), and what he has failed to deliver(deeds), and particularly, what he gave away BEFORE he even sat down at the table with the GOP. History will record his presidential style as folding before the cards were dealt.

[Corruption Winz]

123. Would the DUers be able to break down...

The things that go on behind the scenes? Or the politics that will get in the way of anything getting down NO MATTER WHO is in office? Will the DUers be able to pin point exactly what someone like Barack Obama is dealing with on a day-to-day basis.

Deeds and words are one thing. But the fact of the matter is that he's FAR better than George W. Bush ever was/would be. That is what I was responding to. That is what prompted my reply. Pretty simple stuff.

My point is that people expect too much. It took 8 years to begin to show us signs that the country was going to hell in a hand basket. We expect a three year recovery, apparently.

Has he been perfect? No. Will anyone ever be perfect? No. But people have begun to suggest that he's just a third term Bush, and that's simply not true. Give the man the four years you elected him for before you make a full-on judgment. That's all.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

108. It's like I have seen this all before, but I was younger then,

That was the sixties, I was radical, but still correct. Now here it is all over again, the wars, corporations getting whatever they want, attracting the environment and the poor. Lost a lot of freedoms along the way, thought we might get some back. Just wondering if I'm still a Dem, don't feel like one. I know this has to change, but how? When? Any thoughts?

[iwishiwas]

109. I am past disappointed with his WI response (or lack thereof).

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[uponit7771]

130. ******************ANOTHER BULLSHIT OBAMA BASHING ARTICLE, NO SOURCE...FEW QUOTES********************

I can't stand that FUDrs have been allowed here en masse, they do this crap all the time...unrec

[upi402]

131. Did YOU miss it? You certainly are missing what's up here

The OP is talking about what he feels like from the commonly known betrayal by Obama of the unions that helped elect him.

Same as Clinton did with NAFTA. Took labor's support and kicked them in the balls.

QQ and unrec all you want but there's an elephant in the livingroom that you should take a look at.

[jefferson_dem]

134. "Commonly known betrayal"?

Here's the real "elephant in the livingroom" - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x627926

[ReggieVeggie]

132. WHAT?!?!??!? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND LAST TRANSMISSION!!! !!!@ @ELEVENS !!!!!