I hope DU doesn't spend much more time on dog fighting

[hulka38]

while the wealthy are ripping trillion dollar chunks out of the middle class.

[Aramchek]

1. Nobody expects the Dogfight Inquisition!!!

[hulka38]

3. LOL

Perfect.

[Fumesucker]

Apparently I'm a little too good at multi-tasking and posted twice..

:)

[gratuitous]

5. Or even multi-posting

I'm hoping we can get back to talking about the Ground Zero Mosque real soon.

[PBS Poll-435]

6. ROFL ^²

:rofl:

[Fumesucker]

2. Some few of us are capable of multi-tasking.. n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

4. Righteous indignation flourishes as always

It's the opiate of the DU masses.

[hulka38]

12. I'm not feeling indignant in the least.

[hulka38]

13. .

[virgogal]

7. Then don't post about it. eom

[michaz]

8. Does this mean we can only be concerned about one thing at a time? n/t

[hulka38]

11. I think you know you can do whatever you want.

I hope the emotion of the moment dies down so people can focus with a clear mind on important matters.

[michaz]

14. I personally feel this is an important matter. It is important to me

and obviously to some others. It doesn't mean that any of us feel that other things are not important. It simply means that to us, it is a very important matter that needs to be addressed.

[hulka38]

15. I apologize.

I should have said "more important".

[golddigger]

9. Yeah, let's start another thread about it. That will work.

[hulka38]

16. 11 or 12 - at this point what's the difference?

[TBF]

10. President Obama is the one who made the call - not us. Maybe you should lecture him. nt

[quickesst]

17. Had Vick been....

....anyone else but who he is, this subject would have begun as a mention on DU, then disappeared before the day was out. People love celebrity bashing to feed the need to boost their egos. Had Vick been a janitor, office worker, or any of the "ordinary" class, the mistreatment of animals would still be mostly ignored except for those with the genuine passion and compassion, who by the way, are usually ignored anyway. Dogfighting is still going on, and it's going on everywhere, but unless it's a Vick, or some other "big time celebrity" it's on the back burner of most. Fame is the name of the game, not the crime. The willingness to admit though, is hard for some to do. Thanks.
quickesst

[hulka38]

18. I hope to read

your posts on a range of subjects in the future.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Well as it was explained to me this afternoon

as I still don't get it.

Celebrity (who came from the projects, but still celebrity) who tortured (people who engage in dog fighting might disagree, and I disagree with them, but) dogs... = instant outrage.

There was ANOTHER NFL star who ran a person on his Bentley, horrible accident. He served 19 days and is back on the field. I did not know about that one until somebody else pointed it to me... since I really don't follow sports.... but there is no controversy. So we have a player who killed somebody else... no controversy. We have an ex-con who did dog fighting... instant outrage. Tells you a lot about what people think is important.

That said, the usual excuse, but they are role models... yep, and that is even more telling about the US than Vic and his adventures. We glorify people who play kid's games, and pay them very well... or kids who are part of the hollywood culture... but not oh people like Jonas Salk...

[TBF]

21. It wasn't just dog fighting Nadin -

if you read up on it a little you would see the extent of it - electrocuting dogs that didn't perform properly, hanging them, beating them against the ground until they were dead, pulling the teeth from female Pits and tying them to rape stands in order to breed them at will - the list is very long of torture and murder of multiple dogs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Yeah and... he has served his time

get it? Or should the system not work? Would you people be happy if he got NO JOB? That is what I get.

And yes, dogs are more important that people to some.

[TBF]

35. I don't know about "you people" but personally I am very happy he has a job.

I don't enjoy the president signaling him out for special attention when he ignores so many working class, but yes I'm happy Mr. Vick has a profession and was able to return to it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. The president was thanking the OWNER for giving

Vic a chance. Now let's be honest, you think it would have received ANY coverage if he called the owner of VON's at Paduka Winscoonsin and thanked him for giving a con a second chance?

Personally I doubt it.

This is why I think he thanked the OWNER... to try to encourage other EMPLOYERS to hire cons.

No, it could not be that simple, now could it? And we need to be outraged. I mean it is Vic who has committed the worst crimes known to man!

:sarcasm:

Liberals used to believe in this shit. I guess no more.

[TBF]

37. I am not a liberal, but I absolutely believe in second chances. I simply do not believe in

romanticizing Vick because he happens to play football well.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. I don;t think he did either

The original statement THANKED the Eagles owner for giving this player a second chance. It wasn't about his playing ability, but CHANCE. It was about possible redemption... but even that is a problem for many people here. I mean look at the pretty much faux outrage.

Admittedly this has been blown way out of proportion because yes, dogs were involved. One thing about DU... if dogs are involved... take cover. Kids take cover, the elderly take cover. Somehow not for homeless or the unemployed. Yes this place has changed in the last few years...

Hell if I had my way the NFL would have to establish it's own pipeline to get players... the way the NCAA treats it's college talent is a problem... and it goes also to the coaches and general attitudes.

Now to pay... it is a tad too high, except when you consider that many of these men will leave the gridiron and have problems finding work after that. No, not because of their abilities or lack off, but the closed brain injuries they keep getting. Either change the damn rules, or do the unthinkable. The whole average career is three years. Due to the position a QB players they have a longer career and usually better pay too.

Anyway the owners are killing the games... and I personally do not watch sports, well except the World Cup ONCE every four years. But in this case it WAS about redemption and giving OTHER people a chance.

[TBF]

42. Then why not call Best Friends and thank them for giving the dogs a second chance -

they were the victims? If PETA had had their way they'd all be dead.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. So you against using the bully pulpit to try to encourage

other business owners to hire ex-cons.

Message received.

As I said, this place has changed in dramatic ways.

As to the dogs, good for them. But this issue of jobs and ex-cons is far larger than vic, his crime, or the NFL. Look up the statistics just for shits and giggles.

[TBF]

45. I'd be much more impressed if he called and commented on someone who

was not a very popular football star.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. And that story would die before the news cycle was over

the message was, thank you for hiring an ex con, not about Vic is a great player... which admittedly I have no clue. I don't watch sports.

Yeah a LOCAL nooz ran a feel good story years ago... of a kid who did five for armed robbery and ended up as a regional manager for Starbucks... that story was on the air for two news casts, since they had to produce it and all. It was a very local market story. Tell me, how many news cycles has this been around?

Using the bully pulpit includes those calculations, Granted they miss how it be received... at DU... I have yet to hear about it in the NOOZ or read about it at other sites. But so far we are at news cycle number four. Some of us did get it what this was about... which goes to the MESSAGING, and they suck at it. But hey they suck about messaging in general.

[superduperfarleft]

24. I've been arguing about Vick on DU and elsewhere on the internet since the story broke.

Don't accuse those of us who've followed this issue as being insincere, maybe you should lecture the people all over the board today who didn't give a flying fuck about this issue until they had to downplay Vick's actions in an attempt to defend a boneheaded move by Obama.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I know about it

he served his time. Would you be happier if he was given no job, like most cons? Would that be better?

Think about it.

[superduperfarleft]

29. Right because there's absolutely no gray area between no job and

a quarterback making millions of dollars a year. None at all. :eyes:

Vick can do whatever he wants, the Eagles can do whatever he wants, etc. etc. etc. It's just that I reserve the right not to like it and say mean things about him on the internet. Why is that so difficult for you and the "wahhhhh quit being so mean to Michael Vick!" crowd to understand?

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Reserve that right

I am sure you would be happy if he became a janitor or other low paying job... that will teach the monster, RIGHT? I mean best case, better he not get a job, like 33% of cons. I am sure that please people even more, and no I do not mean any sarcasm here.

I don't watch sports, I don't care for sports, but this attitude is the same reason most cons CANNOT get a job when they get out.

[superduperfarleft]

31. You certainly are sure about a lot of things. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. I am sure of that, because that is a reality

So you'd prefer he gets a job as a janitor? That be ok? How about no job?

And you know what? AT ONE TIME liberals believed in redemption of convicted felons... I guess no more.

[superduperfarleft]

33. There you go being sure of all types of things again.

I'm going to bow out since clearly I'm not needed in this conversation you keep having with yourself.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. whatever... have a good life

[TBF]

39. Had Vick been a janitor there wouldn't have been a call from the President to discuss. nt

[KoKo]

20. It all goes together. Abuse Animals Abuse Retirees, Abuse Pensioners, Abuse Young Folks in 401-K's

It all fits together in America Bizarro, 2010. You don't get the connections? :shrug: Don't see it all?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. And in this case, unlike the rest serve time

which is the way IT SHOULD WORK... what happens after your time in jail? STARVE? Perfect recipe for recidivism. Liberals at one point believed in cons getting second chances. Or is this not to be done with somebody who abused animals?

[Hannah Bell]

22. shows you why the dems are losing the public. DU is supposedly dems who pay attention,

too.

just another distraction while the greedhounds rape the country & the warpigs kill the young.

but dogs? omg, no expression of anger is enough.

[TBF]

38. Glamorising Michael Vick is just the latest - there is no end to what this president

will do to protect the moneyed class. The problem here is not that folks are not paying attention, it is that we elected a very conservative man in our party and we call him a democrat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Some of us tried to warn you

but we read the voting record. Silly us.

[TBF]

43. I know that, I remember. nt

[rucky]

23. I didn't notice.

Damn youuuuu, Vick!

[bullwinkle428]

25. Some here think we spend too much time discussing how the wealthy

have been tearing the middle class new one for years!