The birther crap about Obama is as untrue as Sarah Palin faking a pregnancy...

[cynatnite]

The difference between them is that the birther garbage is insidious and racist. By it's nature it is meant to denigrate Obama, his family, and the entire country of Kenya.

Sarah Palin faking her pregnancy is just plain silly and doesn't hurt anyone.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. What if and bare with me now. Palin traveled back in time and was impregnated by Barack Obama Sr.

That means...... holly shit, I think I figured it all out. I'm getting my blackboard.

[Ezlivin]

2. Except that Sarah Palin DID fake her pregnancy

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-babies-by-sarah-palin.html

[cynatnite]

7. OMG...that is so convincing!

NOT!

:eyes:

This is just plain idiotic.

Not only that, a complete waste of time. This is probably one of the stupidest conspiracies of ALL time. I'm actually embarrassed for anyone who believes it.

[blondeatlast]

11. So let it drop. You have a scroll wheel and "Hide Thread."

It's not difficult.

[SDuderstadt]

13. It embarrasses progressivism...

that's why.

[Snoutport]

54. WHY? Because we don't like her lying? Because her daughter made half a million dollars for virtue?

If you run on a platform of family values then most certainly your family values are part of the political discussion.

[gratuitous]

14. Some people think DU is far more powerful than it is

It truly disturbs the poor dears that spitballing on Sarah's veracity could be construed as the final, authoritative word on all things progressive in American politics. I know! But it appears to be true.

[SDuderstadt]

17. Couldn't we make the same defense of...

the "birthers"?

Funny how quickly people can rationalize and embrace bullshit when the shoe is on their other foot.

[RegieRocker]

23. I for one feel that politicians do lie about promisses but lying about

personal facts is not acceptable. It doesn't matter if they are supposedly on my side of the fence.

[cali]

34. why the hell should the op have to hide his/her own thread?

that's ridiculous. It's not like he/she popped into another person's thread to comment.

[katanalori]

19. Thank You.

As someone who has followed this story for over two years, there is NO way she was pregnant. Please study the evidence before deciding. Just. No. Way.

[cynatnite]

21. There is no evidence...just biased assumptions. n/t

[RegieRocker]

24. So you're saying the pictures were faked?

[cynatnite]

32. I'm saying it's a lot of assumption based on blurry images...

with zero medical knowledge. That is not conclusive evidence.

Conclusive evidence is medical records, doctors, nurses, numerous staff, and other witnesses that would support the notion that it was Bristol who gave birth to Trig.

It would require absolute silence by so many people that it's impossible given how explosive this claim were to be if it were true.

[readmoreoften]

47. It's fascinating that so many people believe "absolute silence" is so hard to buy or court mandate.

Considering the embezzlement going on with the Three Cups scam autobiography--should I just say "someone would've come forward?" Well, they didn't. Not for years. I think all the photographs are excellent evidence that she faked a pregnancy. We needn't speculate on what imaginary people would or wouldn't do in a situation.

You have heard of HIPAA haven't you? Medical records are, you know, PRIVATE.

[cynatnite]

49. It's also criminal and unethical to lie on medical records...

I know HIPAA very well. Spent enough time in the medical field. I also know that it would take a lot of people to make this happen. It's not possible. It was a high-risk pregnancy and no one in their right mind would go along with saying it was Sarah's baby if Bristol was the pregnant one.

It's idiotic.

The photos are blurry at best. They are NOT evidence.

Of course, I'm sure the hatred of Sarah Palin as nothing to do with this. :eyes:

[Snoutport]

56. look at the pictures...most of them are not blurry

funny...usually pictures are considered good evidence. Maybe we should stop looking at pictures as proof on tv and the papers.

[Webster Green]

42. Are you confusing "evidence" with "proof"?

There's plenty of evidence. Did you actually go to that link? Did you read it?

Here's more evidence:

She lies about everything!!

[cynatnite]

44. Yes, I wasted my time going through that biased garbage...

People keep forgetting what it takes to have a baby.

Doctors, nurses, anesthesiologists (if the mom chooses an epi), lab techs, ward clerks, medical records clerks, and plenty more.

She probably does lie about everything...

But given what would be involved to fabricate this....sorry, it won't happen...it couldn't happen. I spent enough years in the medical field that I can tell you for a fact that it couldn't happen.

Now, if you were watching a soap opera or badly written movie...then yeah...it could happen.

[Webster Green]

45. Heh. You don't need all that stuff to have a baby.

Trust me. I've seen it done without any of that stuff. :rofl:

[cynatnite]

46. Sure, there are home deliveries...but this was a HIGH RISK pregnancy...

It was not done at home.

You can laugh at that all you like, but that alone makes sure this wasn't done on a whim...not to mention everything else that is involved in having a baby.

[riderinthestorm]

57. The hospital won't confirm Sarah Palin gave birth there. There are no Palin births listed that day

Even Sarah Palin's own doctor won't confirm or deny it. In fact, nobody will talk about Sarah Palin's pregnancy or delivery at all not even to confirm or deny THAT.

Considering what an incredible coup it was for this tiny hospital and the General Practitioner doctor, to deliver the state of Alaska's Governor's high risk, premature DS baby! Even more miraculously, after a 20 hour flight so she could be at THAT hospital under their care...

...yet none of them are willing to go on record about it?

My area hospitals have billboards, on air and in print advertising touting their expertise, their level of care, their clientele... and these folks treat their state's governor and there's silence.

Sarah Palin has touted her motherhood, her mothering, her children all along... yet she was "shy" about THIS pregnancy, THIS birth.

In combination with the bizarre account of her 20 hours in transit after her water broke, nobody at the governor's conference even remembering she was preggers, nobody along her route to AK while she was in labor noticing...

Yeah, this is JUST like the Obama birther thing.

[SDuderstadt]

59. Jesus...

not this shit again.

[riderinthestorm]

63. Uhm, what did I get wrong? Can you point me to the contradictory evidence? nt

[SDuderstadt]

64. Can you document any of...

your claims?

[riderinthestorm]

65. Can you find a Palin birth at that hospital that day?

Sarah Palin herself tells us that she had that 20 hour ride to the MatSu hospital. Can you find any confirmation from her doctor at all about that, or the hospital?

This link has been posted many times http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-babies-by-sarah-palin.html

I can't "document" Trig Palin's birth announcement, because there isn't any. I don't have any statement by Sarah Palin's own doctor about her incredible feat of delivering this special needs baby after such a voyage - because there isn't any.

Some of this is damning by Sarah Palin's own words (her plane ride saga), and some of this is damning because there isn't any evidence at all of the most common sort (like the daily list of hospital births that's so common it's virtually unheard of for anyone NOT to put it out there - including Barack Obama's!) In fact, it's incredible that Obama's birth announcement IS listed in his local newspaper, yet Palin's isn't yet he's the one whose under fire for a birth conspiracy.

[SDuderstadt]

66. You need to document...

your alternate theory. Does that make sense.

Show that the baby was born to another mother and you might have something. In the meantime, this whole stupid thing is deeply embarrassing to progressivism.

[riderinthestorm]

67. I don't have to document any of it. The OP is saying any speculation about it is stupid

I believe enough information AND documentation is out there about the black hole of details about Trigs birth, that the OP was worth disputing.

Other reporters who are savvier than I, like Andrew Sullivan, are working on it I believe. I simply read and process the information.

[SDuderstadt]

68. She's not just saying it's stupid...

she's saying it's untrue.

In the meantime, I don't care who's looking into it. This kind of foolishness brings us down to the level of the "birthers" and rightfully invites ridicule.

[RegieRocker]

20. Do you consider this to be factual and true?

[Ezlivin]

36. The ears are telling

I'd like to hear the explanation as to why the baby in the "original" photos has deformed ears, yet later photos do not show this.

[cynatnite]

39. There could be any explanation for that...

The one that comes to mind first is that it may not be the same baby. Another could be that sometimes ears and heads do look funny right after childbirth, but will later correct themselves. Another is a correction was done.

This is not definitive evidence at all.

It would take the silence of numbers of people to keep this under wraps. It's not possible, IMO. Until there is conclusive evidence, I call this unmitigated hogwash.

[Scout]

41. "Until there is conclusive evidence"

and people will be able to come up with the evidence you demand by ignoring it, treating it like it's nothing, right? how are they supposed to get this definitive evidence for you?

[cynatnite]

43. a blurry photograph does not make for good evidence...

all you have biased supposition.

[readmoreoften]

48. Um. It's not that blurry.

[cynatnite]

50. Sure, and Cheney's a nice guy with a heart of gold...

:sarcasm:

:rofl:

[Scout]

53. wasn't the point/question to you

you claim you won't believe it/it can't be true without real evidence, yet if we ignore it and move on, how will anyone ever be able to collect the evidence, hmmm?

"i demand you produce evidence that i will find acceptable, but i will ridicule you if you dare to look for it" :rofl:

[KittyWampus]

3. Palin never even bothered to fake a pregnancy. No one saw her pregnant.

She just suddenly turned up with a baby.

[Webster Green]

4. Nah.

The Obama birther shit is way too far-fetched to believe. The story of Palin flying back to Alaska to give birth is way too far-fetched to believe. There is a lot of other evidence as well.

Check out the link posted above.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

5. Without offering an opinion on whether the pregnancy was fake,

I will say that it matters a great deal if there was in fact a pregnancy hoax. I expect there were more than a few independents who voted for McCain, who might have changed their votes if they knew Palin was actively lying to cover up her daughter's underage out-of-wedlock pregnancy.

Of course, the story and timeline that are actually promoted by the Palins don't exactly paint her as a model parent either.

[cynatnite]

8. Even if she did fake it, which she didn't, it didn't work...so why does it matter anyway?

I do agree that Sarah carting her kids around like they were trophies certainly spoke of her horrible parenting abilities.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

27. Well, it speaks to her character and fitness for office.

For the sake of my keyboard and grammar, this comment assumes that Palin was hoaxing her pregnancy with Trig, because I will quickly get tired of typing "assuming it did happen" and "allegedly."

Most likely for folks like you and me, if the hoax were uncovered early on, it would just be the latest in a long line of negatives about her, so in that case it would not matter. Likewise for her most hard-core supporters, the revelation of the hoax would be rationalized away somehow. But along the spectrum of voters I expect there would be some for whom the hoax would have made a large difference.

As for the present day, I don't know that the revelation of a hoax that occurred three years ago would matter all that much, since her star is doing a fine job of waning on its own.

BTW, when I spoke of her parenting abilities, I was referring more to her own story of not even going to a hospital for more than 20 hours after her water broke, most of which time was spent on bumpy planes and in airports.

[pipi_k]

70. Yeah, because at no time in the history of politics

has anyone ever lied.

And everybody who was honest was a fabulous leader, right?

Things were fairly decent under Clinton even though he lied about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky.

So please explain how one's honesty, or lack of it, has anything to do with his/her ability to be an effective leader.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

71. Not dishonesty -- hypocrisy.

Remember this is the "family values" crowd that wants a government agent in every woman's uterus, and abstinence as the rule of the day. Again, if this was a hoax, it was only to prevent the disclosure of Bristol's underage and out of wedlock pregnancy (which became moot when Bristol didn't learn her lesson and got pregnant a second time). And in America, unrepentant hypocrisy is probably the only unforgivable sin in the political arena.

[RegieRocker]

28. It obviously worked on you and many others.

[cynatnite]

38. How did it work? I didn't vote for her and obviously the majority didn't either. n/t

[RegieRocker]

40. People think it's her baby, but I see your point. However I don't think

her baby had anything to do with her losing at all.

[truebrit71]

6. Apples and oranges...and imho she lied about being preggers...

..the birther shit is definitely racist..the fake pregnancy thing is much more serious as it is a fraud..

[blondeatlast]

9. The scroll wheel is vastly underrated. If DUers want to discuss it,

I say let them discuss it, even if I'm not interested.

[SDuderstadt]

10. Yeah...

why not embarrass progressivism in the process?

[blondeatlast]

12. Gossip does not equal racism. If the DU admins are sufficiently

concerned they will relegate this stuff to the looneyb--er, the 9/11 forum. they already did so with a repeating chestnut this morning.

[SDuderstadt]

15. Gossip is stupid enough...

by itself.

[Wickerman]

16. So, stop kicking the thread

I'd have never found this if it weren't kicked on a regular basis.

:think:

[SDuderstadt]

18. Why don't you weigh in on it?

The OP makes sense.

[Wickerman]

22. "The OP makes sense," I thought you were railing against it?

OP
"Sarah Palin faking her pregnancy is just plain silly and doesn't hurt anyone."

Your Response
"why not embarrass progressivism in the process?"

[SDuderstadt]

26. Read the subject line again n/t

[Wickerman]

29. A subjhect line does not an OP make

but, again, we kick the thread.

:think:

what game is it you're playing?

[SDuderstadt]

31. The OP has made her position clear...

despite your reading comprehension issues.

[Wickerman]

33. Check your words again

You agree with the context that that the birther shit is racist. Then you say that talking about Sarah's issues are bad for the progressive cause.

I say, then don't kick the thread.

you say, why don't I chime in?

I say, you contradict yourself.

you say, read the subject line again.

I say, there's mroe than a subject line at play, but, hey, why kick the thread?

You insult my reading abilities because I won't play into your game.

Yeah, have a nice day. Maybe you can find someone else who will actually fight with you. Me? I'm outta here.

[SDuderstadt]

35. No, dude...

The OP is debunking silly conspiracy theory bullshit. I agree with it wholeheartedly.

[cynatnite]

37. Yes, I am. That is correct. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

52. No. You are not.

[RZM]

25. Both of these conspiracy theories are pretty stupid

And as far as I know, no proponent of either has come forth with any real evidence. Bullshit, hearsay, and insinuations, yes . . . actual evidence . . . no.

Neither are really about places of birth or pregnancies either. They both boil down to sets of people desperate to believe that the public figure they love to hate constructed their public persona on a lie.

[Poll_Blind]

30. Sarah Palin got me pregnant and said I faked it.

And that's what hurts most of all.

PB

[Bluebear]

51. Sez you.

The two are not even remotely comparable.

[walldude]

55. So lets have yet another thread about it.

:shrug:

[HughBeaumont]

61. I know, ain't it?

There seems to be just as many finger-wagging, quick-to-close-debate threads on this subject as there are curiosity seekers on the issue. What's all of a sudden wrong with just letting people talk about things?

[SDuderstadt]

62. Because it embarrasses progressivism...

as much as the "birther" movement should embarrass conservatism.

[Bonobo]

72. Not as embarrassing as the cult-like notion of "Conscious Capitalism"

An absurd, nearly cult-like magical belief system in which capitalists would impose restraint upon themselves.

Besides how does one embarrass a political system?

Did you mean to say that it embarrasses "Progressives"?

[SDuderstadt]

73. I'm not interested in...

engaging with you, dude.

Eventually, it will sink in.

[Bonobo]

75. That's ok, I am quite enjoying things the way they are. nt

[TheKentuckian]

58. They aren't in the same class of untrue. Birfers are straight delusional racists

willfully ignoring more proof than I've seen offered on an elected official's eligibility.

The Palin shit is just old fashioned rumor mill shit that isn't credible but certainly hasn't been disproven other than circumstantially based on standard practices.
At least with the Palin crap a story can be imagined, Obama not being a citizen would require things like time machines to pull off, at minimum.

I'm unreccing not because I think the kid is Sarah Palin's or to be a dick but because as much problem as I have with Obama, I think it is absurd to put the shit in the same class even though both are off the reservation. The birfer shit is squirrel turds at a nut farm and one of the more far fetched and racially motivated pieces of fiction in modern times.

[thelordofhell]

60. Racism vs. Sexism

They're both bad

[pipi_k]

69. Well thank goodness...

for racism.

Really. What else could be so handy for so many things?


So we have a (half) black president. Anybody who doesn't like him...well, they must be "racists". Because, you know...he's BLAAAAAAACKKKKK!!!


Some poor slob gets beaten by the police...if he's black, it's RACISM!!!


Oh, how I wish DU had been around during the Clinton years. It would have been interesting to see what reasons anyone would have for why the Republicans were trying so hard to bring him down.

He's white, so forget the racism. Damn!

But had he been black....whoopeeee! Racism!!!

If a woman Democrat found herself in exactly the same position as Sarah Palin, with Republicans digging up photos of her daughter's breasts leaking milk, she herself with what looks like a square pillow under her clothing, accusations of fake pregnancy, her husband's bastard child by another woman, etc., there would be such an outrage and cries of SEXISM!!! here.

Seems like anything is justifiable as long as it's directed against "the enemy"...i.e. Republicans.

Believe me, I don't have great love for most of them. I particularly loathe Sarah Palin. But all this justification for prying into Sarah Palin's personal life just makes this whole place look foolish.

[Bluebear]

74. "Some poor slob gets beaten by the police...if he's black, it's RACISM!!!" - Wow.

[LibertyFox]

76. Oh my gawd

Insidious? I dont see how. Racist? Noooo not really, it doesn't have anything to do with his race.

It's just silly is what it is, but only slightly more silly having us squabble about a non issue of Palin.

The birther issue is supposed to be one where we can grin at a fringe group of righties that aren't even universally accepted among their own kind. But now we're coming up with a counter conspiracy just so we can prove we've got crazies too?

I has a sad. Can't we agree birthers are crazy and leave it at that?