Defining Conservatives.

[affrayer]

In any debate the first step is to define terms. However I find that the use of the political concept of Conservativsm is cloudy at best. For example, if we ask a run of the mill conservative what defines their political philosophy they might offer up "fiscally responsible policy." Yet even a cursory review of such policy since Reagan shows that just the opposite is true, that Conservatives embrace policy that is the paramount of irresponsibility. The same Conservative might offer up their concept of "family values." And again we've watched their policies destroy the "Nuclear Family" and replace it with the "Two Wage Earner Family" which has a higher than 50% divorce rate. Then the same Conservative would claim that they "place ideas and principles above personal desire" and again history shows that the opposite is true as they, as a political party, cater to the greed and averse of their largest donors. And how about Conservative claims of "transparency" and a never-ending quest for the truth? Nothing could be farther from the truth or as opaque as a Conservative. They opine about free trade and competition yet they embrace monopoly control of the markets. They ballyhoo charity yet ensconce themselves in self indulgence. They assert self defense but what they really pursue is the ability to attack and dominate. They claim that the media is biased against them but any analysis clearly shows just the opposite is true. In other words, Conservatives are not in the least what they claim they are!

So how does one debate those that enshroud themselves in such a plethora of phantom political positions? Think of all the attempts you have made to communicate with Conservatives whether it be a debate or just a discussion. Wasn't it like visiting the Twilight Zone?

So I offer a different kind of definition for Conservatives. Simply put, in an organized society, "power" is vested in one body or another. Throughout history the human race has tried many different "bodies" ranging from tribal leaders to democratically elected representatives from the general population. If we placed those types of bodies on a lone they would range from powerful individuals, like dictators, all the way to members of the general public having control over the power in government in a democracy. Conservatives obviously believe that it is the powerful individuals that should lead and control and since in America that means those that control the most money, they support an oligarchy of the wealthy as the true form of power in the USA! And that is how I define Conservatives.

All the rest, fiscal responsibility, family values, and such are nothing more than propaganda used to fraudulently sell themselves as representatives of anything but their own self interests.

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[Stevenmarc]

7. Intelligence, since they use very, very little of it.

[PuffedMica]

9. They are conserving power unto themselves

The conservatives want power to continue enriching the wealthy on the backs of the rank and file workers.

[affrayer]

11. Ownership

The conservatives want power to continue enriching the wealthy on the backs of the rank and file workers.

Correct. All their talk about "free markets" is nothing more than a subterfuge for their real goal, monopolizing the economy. They seek to make money through ownership and not through the creation of real wealth.

[elocs]

2. Typically, Democrats have allowed Republicans to define all the terms,

not only the terms of the debate, but the terms defining themselves and Democrats. The result being that Democrats are constantly put on the defensive in getting their message across and believed.

[affrayer]

4. Yes!

not only the terms of the debate, but the terms defining themselves and Democrats. The result being that Democrats are constantly put on the defensive in getting their message across and believed.

Agreed. Instead of discussing the real issues the democrats find themselves dancing with the conservatives' illusions...

[A wise Man]

10. Because the Dems have

become so weak and affraid of the rethugs. They've had every chance to fight back the demons..yet they decided to compromise with the devil.

[affrayer]

12. Lies, Dishonesty and Conservatives

They've had every chance to fight back the demons..yet they decided to compromise with the devil.

While we can debate whether Conservatives are inherently evil there is no debate on whether they are stupid. Just take a look at the eight years under Bush Jr, everything they did failed and failed spectacularly. Did Reagan balance the budget?

In fact, the only thing the Conservatives are good at is lying. And that's the greatest flaw of those in the democrat party, they let the Conservatives get away with their lies.

[B Calm]

3. I define them with three words: CHEAP LABOR CONS

[affrayer]

5. China! China! China!

How about two words, Wage Slavery...the wet dream of conservatives.

And for those conservative who wish to deny it answer me this: why did countries like India and China receive the largest portion of investment dollars from Bush Jr's tax cut?

[Stevenmarc]

6. .

[BlueCollar]

8. conservative = hypocrite

[EstimatedProphet]

13. Conservative: supporting an aristocracy or aristocratic viewpoint

This is really what they are about. The core of their beliefs are an arrogant view of the world, and that only those with money and property should be allowed to power. Case in point - the teabilly politician who came out the other day with the idea that voting should be restricted to property owners.

[affrayer]

14. Economic Oligarchies

Case in point - the teabilly politician who came out the other day with the idea that voting should be restricted to property owners.

This is an old idea but it is what Conservatism is all about. Political power through ownership. The individual garners power not because they earn it but because they own it. No wonder they want to do away with the Estate Tax, it's a necessary step before establishing dynasties based on economic oligarchies. Just like the rest of their lies, democracy is something they say with a wink and a nod.