Reply #53: Nothing wrong with Wisconsin ... we're talking about National Dem leadership ---

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MUTE --

When you hear a Dem talking about the fakery of our elections, it's someone like

Jimmy Carter -- who makes clear that we're so screwed here our elections couldn't

even be monitored!! How many of our Democratic leaders have you heard talking

about that? Greens Party has been active in trying to change our elections system --

same for Ralph Nader with lawsuits. (See below)


And, if you're sitting in front of your TV waiting to hear "what's really goin' on"

from our corporate-press, you are waiting in vain --

Re Greg Palast -- NOTE that Greg Palast reported his information GOP knocking Democratic

voters off the rolls to the Democrats and they weren't interested. They could have prevented

that large part of 2000. With no interest here, GP moved on to Great Britian to report news.

You do understand, I presume, that the Democratic Party has been harboring for decades the

DLC -- which was FUNDED BY THE KOCH BROS.?


Did not the Congressional Black Caucus raise hell, along with others? Yes, but they were not the majority.

And did they not require just one Democrat from the Senate to stand with them?

No one did!

If we're still voting anywhere in the US on hackable computers, then nothing meaningful has

been done!

And we have not had a progressive majority in the Senate since the days of Reagan. Even less during the Clinton years when the GOP took over; and not in this century.

Are you kidding? Obama had a huge mandate for change in '08 -- we had a huge vote in '06 to

end the wars CONFIRMED by Pelosi on video the morning after '06 where she says ...

"Dems were elected to end the war!" -- What happened?

I've watched the Democrats as far back as Sen. George Mitchell with a Democratic Senate which

he turned over to GOP Sen. Bob Dole -- !!!

That's what corporate money -- and Koch Bros. -- has done to the Democratic Party and our

elected Democrats.


There has been no "slugging it out" -- we have only had Rahm Emmanuel and the DLC working to

move more conservative Democrats into openings -- even to the point of having more conservative

candidates challenge more liberal seated Dems. The Democratic Party has only been in a downward

spiral -- moving steadily more to the right on Koch Bros. money.


The coup of 2000 was not spur of the moment. It was the result of decades of GOP consolidation of power so that it could not be opposed effectively, no matter what any Democrat thought.

So -- nothing about the fascist GOP rally could have been challenged?

Even to the point of its becoming near-violent with GOP actors chasing down an official

who was carrying a blank ballot?

And no protest could have been offered to the Supreme Gang of 5?

No protest could have been offered to the counting of illegal military ballots for Bush -- ?

In fact, Gore jumped in quickly to send Jesse Jackson home from Miami-Dade county where the

"butterfly ballot" rallies were beginning!


:rofl:

The facts of 2004 include not just what is suggested here, but total GOP domination of every institution of influence, from the courts to the legislative and the judiciary. Numerous suits were filed in relation to the illegalities of 2000 and beyond. The lower courts did not allow them to go forward because they were GOP judges.

And, all of that happened while the Democrats were looking the other way -- distracted, perhaps

by Koch Bros. $$ -- and over decades? They didn't notice 50 years of rightwing political violence

in America? They never wondered about Diebold voting computers? How strange when Germany has

outlawed them as "unconstitutional" -- !!

When academics and professionals here in the US have reported all the voting computers

as "hackable" -- !!

Ah, "the magic wand" again -- !!

If you want to be taken even marginally seriously, I'd leave that out -- !!

No one is arguing that we don't have government by gangsterism --

that we don't have corporate fascism in America --

Most of us recognize that -- but how come the Democratic Party doesn't?

I don't think Democrats are "weak" either -- they are simply pre-owned and pre-bribed

by corporate money.

It's up to the national party to abandon corporate $$$ and the Koch Bros and the DLC --

and move on to clean elections!! Or as Pelosi called it pre-last election "poo on your shoe" --!!

And ironic and humorous attempt at outing a GOP which got $7 for every one dollar the Dems got

in '10!!

And, Democatic leadership certainly know what needs to be done to make our elections honest --

cause Jimmy Carter has been telling them how for decades!!



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JIMMY CARTER re our Elections –

President Jimmy Carter –

Carter Center, Alabama, saying they could not serve as observers in US elections because we

lack the three necessary criteria --


1 - Voters must be able to understand the ballot procedures and the ballots themselves

2 - Voters must have equal rights to have their votes counted

3 - There must be a central commission in the country to resolve election disputes


Carter says that none of these conditions prevail throughout the US – and that Florida violated

all three – !!



Universal & Equal Suffrage -

“The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government –

This will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by

universal and equal suffrage --

United Nations 1948 – Universal Declaration of Human Rights –



“The most important control system the power brokers have established

in this country is that we the people will settle for less, that we will settle for

the least worst” –




Election Fraud and suggestions to correct it --

1. Repeal the Help America Vote Act (HAVA).
2. Replace all electronic voting with hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB).
3. Get rid of computerized voter rolls.
4. Keep all private vendors out of the election process.
5. Make it illegal for the TV networks to declare who won before the vote-count is complete.
6. Set up an exit polling system, publicly supported, to keep the vote-counts honest.
7. Get rid of voter registration rules, by having every citizen be duly registered on his/her 18th birthday.
8. Ban all state requirements for state-issued ID's at the polls.
9. Put all polling places under video surveillance, to spot voter fraud, monitor election personnel, and track the turnout.
10. Have Election Day declared a federal holiday, requiring all employers to allow their workers time to vote.
11. Make it illegal for Secretaries of State to co-chair political campaigns (or otherwise assist or favor them).
12. Make election fraud a major felony, with life imprisonment--and disenfranchisement--for all repeat offenders.