Reply #21: I don't know how the universe being around since the "beginning"

[Zynx]

is a "simple" logical argument. Indeed, I find it to be a most difficult concept to grasp that physical matter, as we know it, simply "was". However, I digress. Most scientific notions about the creation of the universe have little more factual grounding than do theistic notions about the creation of the universe. I think it is much simpler to call them both beliefs with relatively equal factual footing. As a matter of fact, I don't think we will ever be able to obtain the knowledge to "prove" either idea is correct. As neither idea can be tested and likely never will be, they are of relatively equal standing. Any debate involving the two positions is more a theological debate than a scientific one and to argue that either statement is superior is clearly a waste of time. Anyone could use some form of logic to argue that either position is superior logically.