Reply #20: Of course I knew about MLK being a Republican, and the KKK being Democrats up until the 60s.

[tom_paine]

The parties flipped racist roles in the 60s, though it started in the 30s under FDR and the transition was completed by Ronnie Raygun in Philadelphia, Mississippi, in 1980. (wink, wink)

You may be right in what you say, and I acknowledged as much in my reply to the OP.

However, maybe mollycoddling the clueless and unconscious is partly what got us into this problem, the same way our Democratic Leadership's obessseion with being Mr. (and Ms.) "Nice Guy" has turned most (with a few notable exceptions) of our Democratic Congressional Leadership into the spitting image of the 1933 German Social Democrats in almost every way (look up the history of Germany 1929-1934 if you do not believe me...the facts speak for themselves).

Maybe our unwillingness to speak plainly and bluntly about things which LONG AGO needed to be addressed in this way, is part of the reason we stand in the middle of an utterly wrecked and morally/spiritually bankrupt nation ruled by the vilest criminal tyrants for 8 years.

So I cannot agree with you. Anyone figuring it out ast this late date is a fucking clueless idiot...plain and simple. No getting around it or sugarcoating it. A contemptible clueless blind fool with as much historical knowledge as my wooden tool shed.

Just like the people who "figured out" that Hitler was a bad guy...ohhhh, about he time they started LOSING in '43.

You might be right in what you say, but I no longer care.

I stand 1000% behind my words to the OP and to you. (though please do not intimate this as a personal insult, for I am not trying to be mean to you, just as blunt as the times call for, and you are certainly NOT one of those who figured it out just yesterday)

The OP, in his or her own way, owes the same type of restitution to their conscience as a Good German standing in the rubble of Berlin wondering how he could have bought everything that paperhanging sonovabitch had to say for twelve years...but he DID buy it, and NOTHING can change that.

Just like NOTHING can change what the OP has allowed himself or herself to support for at least a decade and maybe 30+ years for all we know.

I stand behind my words. And I would and will be happy someday if I get the chance to speak them to someone's face in person. I have been hoping for 8 years for such an opportunity and believe me, I have availed myself of the ability to speak blunt truth many MANY times in the last 8 years to people's faces.

Though not that particular blunt truth. Not yet. I can only hope. OTOH, if and when Obama wins, there is much work for all of us to do, thus such petty considerations may go by the wayside.

GOBAMA!