I want to know something right here, right frigging NOW:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

I want to hear from DUers who agree with the following:

1. We don't know if this election was on the up and up. In fact, there is quite disconcerting evidence to the contrary.

2. In light of that, all the Democratic navel-gazing and shooting ourselves in the foot is ridiculous. Imagine if it came out that we actually DID win. Then what was all the "oh my GOD, this is what we need to do differently" hand wringing about?

3. I'm sick of hearing from FELLOW Democrats how I should talk to right wingers now, how we all should appeal to bigots, how we need to change our language, go to right wing churches, blah blah blah.

WTF is THAT about? I am SURROUNDED by right wingers. I've spent the better part of my LIFE trying to talk sense into them. I didn't ever insult them, I never screamed at them, I simply TALKED and LISTENED.

You CANNOT out bigot a bigot. If you want to try, you'd probably be better off finding a hard surface and applying your head to it over and over.

Secondly why is it MY JOB to appeal to THEM? WHY? Because they "won?" Go back and re-read #1 on this list. Now tell me again why I should go 'splainin' myself to them. Fuck that. I don't have any explaining or reaching out to do. They want a fucked up country? Let 'em have it. I don't have any use for people with the blood of innocents on their hands.

I'm just wondering if there is anyone here left who feels the same way, or if we have all succumbed to this strange "well here's what we do wrong guys" or "oh that's it, the death of the Democratic party forever" bullcrap.