Reply #15: No, you're still trying to get away from this

[jpgray]

"Some on this planet will be kept down so the rest can be kept up. That's the way it's always been, that's the way it will continue to be."

I still fail to see how anything you've said provides evidence to debunk this point. If we don't all arrive together, then how can the above be false? Some are kept down so others can be kept up. So did you really disagree with me, or did I misunderstand you when you said this was an untrue proverb? Your last post actually indicates that you believe it to be true yourself. And as for the magical Nirvana land, I believe the definition of that would be a world where the above proverb is not true, and that's your argument, not mine.