Reply #13: I've also noticed that

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there are people who take any criticism, not just of their position, but of their facts, or even the reasoning processes by which they arrived at their conclusions, to be personal insults to their intelligence, integrity, or whatever.

Listen folks, not all people who worship "facts and logic" always have facts or logic on their side. Not even if they have somehow arrived at the correct conclusion, anyway. Not even me. That's why we have these discussions: not all opinions are equal. But how do you correct either your position, or the other fellow's without a civil discourse.