Reply #73: Sure, feel free. It's not like I own the words

[bain_sidhe]

although I should warn you, I've not been able to find a source for it. Murrow said something SIMILAR in a speech accepting an award, but not that exact thing.

There's an older quote you might want to add in to your rotation too... hang on, let me find it...

Ok, here 'tis

A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.
--Bertrand de Jouvenal

Of course, de Jouvenal was more of a libertarian than a liberal, and his "Ethics of Redistribution" is often used to discredit "the welfare state." But, although I've never read any of his works, looking over the returns by google, he seems to be more concerned with limiting the power of the state in general, rather than denouncing "the welfare state" in particular. Another quote from one of his books (the quotation page doesn't say which one):

"It is appropriate here to recall that the so-called Dark Ages began with the flight of the individuals into the protection of lords or chapters and came to an end when the individual again found it to his advantage to set forth on his own. We live at a time when everything conspires to push the individual into the fold."

**edit to fix re-write error!**