Reply #11: So what do you propose to the 18 millions in NYC

[sweetheart]

That they all just get out to kansas for a chavez land reformation?

I don't disagree, but we do indeed have an urban population, many of
whom rent for a lifetime and still have a quality of life that, however
artificial and built on the backs of petrol slaves, is substantial
for those living it. If the technology society is a mirage, then you
must not be using a computer, or a telecommunications switch. You
probably don't have hot water, heating or electric lights. Surely you
must walk everywhere, as even a bicycle is made of alloys and metals
that are mined by the economically "exploited", and refined by polluting
behemoth factories buring coal and fossil fuels.

In economic history, we once were all peasants, and indeed with the
industrial revolution, we came to cities to enjoy electric lights,
street lighting, sewers, water on tap, and the urban delights.. and now
100+ years later, what are you calling for, a return to
mao's great leap forward? Do we close all the stock markets and just
call the last 100 years a mistake? Of course not... it is not possible
to re-edit the history. We have 6 billions on the earth now, nothing
like from before and going back to the land is absurd.

We must come together and use technology wisely, making sure that
modern economics forces consumers to pay the price in "public goods"
costs of technology. This be that we pay the FULL cost of the petrol
and the FULL cost of burning energy, recognizing the military
subsidy as what it is, an economic energy subsidy. I doubt you will
find many people in new york city ready to go to the farm... they'd
rather pay rent, or buy a flat... and continue in their specialized
worlds that do indeed have a great deal of substance, however far
abstracted from the land it might be.