Reply #27: The "gains" you mention are matters of opinion and point of view

[sangh0]

I appreciate the effort, as well as the usual eloquence, but the idea that not opposing Goss "gives support to the Repukes" is a perception, and a perception that varies based on one's own individual point of view. You hear that some Dem won't oppose Goss and you perceive it as supporting the pukes, but that's not true of others.

You say that not supporting those Dems who do speak out against Goss, leaves them high and dry, but I would say that those who do speak out are leaving the majority who have decided not to speak out, high and dry. It works both ways, and the one you (or I, or anyone else) pick depends on your point of view. IOW, this is a matter of opinion. Saying that "Not opposing Goss is a concession to the Repukes" assumes that an opinion (ie "Goss should be opposed") is actually a fact, when it's not.

And as far as being the point man, and the bad things Goss has said and worked on - those can be done by someone else just as evil. They've got a full bench of evildoers.

It shows the Imperials they can be stopped

No, if we oppose Goss, Bush* will still be in the WH. Stopping Goss only shows that we can stop Goss.

What an act "shows" is dependent on how it is perceived, and that's subject to opinion, and not just fact. When it comes to this issue, I am undecided, so opposing him "shows" nothing to me at this point.

If you want to have any hopes of persuading me, tell me what it gains for us, and not what it "shows" to us. I already know that they can be beat. I don't have to defeat some minion in order to know that Lucifer himself can be struck down. I'm tired of symbols.

Tell me what I'm fighting for.