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Reply #20: You do understand that that is not a correct summary of the Tiahrt Amendment, correct? [View All]

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Testament Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:31 PM
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20. You do understand that that is not a correct summary of the Tiahrt Amendment, correct?
"no funds appropriated under this or any other Act with respect to any fiscal year may be used
to disclose part or all of the contents of the Firearms Trace System database
maintained by the
National Trace Center of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives or any
information required to be kept by licensees pursuant to section 923(g) of title 18, United States
Code, or required to be reported pursuant to paragraphs (3) and (7) of such section 923(g), to
anyone other than a Federal, State, or local law enforcement agency or a prosecutor solely in
connection with and for use in a bona fide criminal investigation or prosecution
and then only such
information as pertains to the geographic jurisdiction of the law enforcement agency requesting the
disclosure and not for use in any civil action or proceeding other than an action or proceeding
commenced by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or a review of such an
action or proceeding, to enforce the provisions of chapter 44 of such title, and all such data shall be
immune from legal process and shall not be subject to subpoena or other discovery, shall be
inadmissible in evidence, and shall not be used, relied on, or disclosed in any manner, nor shall
testimony or other evidence be permitted based upon such data, in any civil action pending on or
filed after the effective date of this Act in any State (including the District of Columbia) or Federal
court or in any administrative proceeding other than a proceeding commenced by the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to enforce the provisions of that chapter, or a review of
such an action or proceeding"

http://www.protectpolice.org/docs/tiahrt_amendment.pdf

BOTH the FOP and the ATF support the Tiahrt Amendment

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ks04_tiahrt/2007/MAIGResponse.html

So this crap about it hurting law enforcement efforts is a flat out lie and discredits anyone who uses it.

So many people get suckered into supporting gun control because they do not know the current laws or what they do.

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AWB stuff:

The AR-15 in my opinion, is the most convenient, versatile, and diverse system for anything that you would lawfully do with a rifle. Doesn't matter if it's hunting, self defense, competition, fun, whatever. You have many many different calibers, accessories, and everything about the system can be worked on by the owner with some tools and know how. Want to protect your home incase of invasion while you sleep? Slap a 16" upper with a light and an Aimpoint in your choice of caliber. Then you need to wake up and take care of a rat problem in your barn that the cats aren't doing? Slap on a .22 upper or a conversion kit and get to it. Need to take care of some ground hogs in the area? Slap on a .204 Ruger upper with a 6-24x scope. Need some steaks but don't want to buy processed meat from cows in unknown conditions? Slap on a 6mm+ upper on it and hunt with the thing. Up in the mountains and have a problem with bears in the area? Carry one with a .50 Beowulf upper on it. Want to compete in 3gun? Put a JP upper on it with his ACOG/Jpoint optic and his tank brake.

Summary:
You can participate in just about any centerfire rifle competition with an AR-15 with the right setup.
You can hunt any animal in North America with one with the right caliber upper for the job.
You can easily setup one for defense of your property.
They remain the most popular rifle in America for their versatility, accuracy, and reliability.

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"Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals."

Youth Handgun Safety Act and GCA of '68 already on the books cover that, thanks for playing.

"They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof."

Laws inside a gun show are the exact same as those on the outside. There is not gun show loophole at all. There never has been. As for childproof...it's already illegal to leave a gun lying around so that a minor can use it unsupervised, and any disimprovements added to a gun in the name of child safety have been a failure. Children routinely are able to defeat packaging that adults have problems with. The only thing that any such "features" would do is make the gun harder to use which then renders it unsafe to operate and useless for any reasonable purpose.

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As for your comment: "And this is hardly confiscation or banning of all guns."

As mentioned in the AWB section of my post, the ban covers guns that are in widespread circulation and are very popular to the millions of lawful owners. Also, there has been confiscation of such arms in the US by California. HR1022 would have even banned Olympic target pistols based on the "features" it decreed as evil. There is also no guarantee that a proposed ban wouldn't include confiscation which some Representatives and Senators have called for an introduced bills to do so in the past. If there's any kind of registration in there, this leads to closing the registration which then allows no more guns of that type to be in the market or sometimes no more transfers, and has lead to confiscation in this country and abroad.
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