Reply #59: no problem....

[pelsar]

we partially agree...my point that the kurds should have self determination now was an attempt to point out the contradiction in your posistion..which by the way you cleared up....I too dont believe the kurds should have their own state now....i dont know about the future as they are very wide spread across several countries and the repercussions would be extensive.

perhaps unlike you (or perhaps not), i dont believe its practical for all "peoples to get their "own land".....the mosiac would never end, hence i go back to my "life isnt fair" routine.

as far as the palestenains go: picture this scenario: An agreement is reached, the PA, a pseudo democracy/dictatorship (like egypt?) takes control.....dictatorships require an outside enemy to justify their harsh measures..that means attacks on israel continues...and the reprisals (or perhaps the boss can reign in the various jihadnikim). The PA now being a state can import heavy weapons...that means israels response will be even heavier...the result is not just loss of life, but a failed state. Perhaps the Hamas comes to the rescue..now we have a fanatical religious state (mini iran), that continues the threats and attackes upon israel.

The point being a "failed palesteanian state" will not do the palestenians any good, in fact it will make their lives even more miserable than it is now. Failed govts treat their citizens far worse than any foreign occupier would...Plus once they have a state, it will be "hands off" for the UN.

More so, the world and all its "caring people" will no longer care about the palestenains...as it will be an internal matter. The question is this:

whats more important removing the occupation or working to provide the palestenians with a better chance for a better future, while removing the occupation?

removing the occupation immediatly may make matters worse, looking at Gaza does not inspires confidence...and they wont get a second chance (see the taliban, saudi arabia or iran for examples....), once in place a failed or fanatical govt is difficult to remove