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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 07:17 PM
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70. I disagree with your assesment of Israel's war crimes, but more relevantly,
I fail to understand your logic as to their link to good-faith negotiations. You seem to be saying that any country that acts as Israel has acted is not capable of making good faith negotiations. Thus, Israel has NEVER negotiated in good faith with any of their neighbors. This is a bit like saying that no one who voted for Bush is capable of being a Democrat. Thus no one who voted for Bush has ever voted Democratic.

While we can all agree on the importance of human rights I fail to see how it immediately negates any and every example or possibility of good faith negotiations on the part of the country. Additionally, Israel has not done anything different than every other nation on the planet. So are any countries capable of GF negotiations in your opinion?

Then you say that you are only talking about negotiations, NOT agreements or treaties that Israel "may happen to be a party to." "Good faith negotiating" is usually thought of as nations following thorugh on the commitments they made while negotiating. Israel has never just "happened to be a party" to an agreement or treaty, they have all been painstakingly negotiated by the respective nations. Proving that Israel has not negotiated in good faith means finding examples of treaties where they promised one thing in the negotiating room with the intention of doing otherwise.

Lastly, there is a technical flaw in your logic. You cite as evidence other people's supposed opinion of whether or not Israel is a GF negotiator. So what you are actually showing is NOT that Israel has never demonstrated good faith in their negotiations, but just people's opinions on the subject. Any poll anywhere about anything is just a demonstration of mass opinion, not an example of proof on anything else. As Pelsar said, everyone used to think the world was flat. Is that considered positive evidence that the world was in fact flat? Imaginary polls (while fun!) are especially not very useful as proof of a statement. Proof is demonstated using facts. Now, are you able to cite a single one of those?
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