Reply #72: LOL....here goes nothing

[shira]

"Weren't they firing rockets anyway? Seriously, you don't have a very strong argument for continued occupation here. "

So they should have fired rockets much less frequently after the pullout, don'tcha think?

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"Again, a greenhouse without water is worthless. If you've never been, the Levant is a rather arid place, and water transport is integral for a lot of the agriculture in the region. Gaza has no natural source of water, and the Israelis shut down and stripped a lot of the water infrastructure when they left."

Evidence of this?

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"No, actually it's not. Many, many other nations have managed to do just that. And again, Israel could only win by having done so. Either Hamas ends up having to put its money where its mouth is (good for Israel) or Hamas ends up getting the fuck killed out of it by rival organizations (also good for Israel)"

Hamas only one parliament majority, not the presidency. Israel still had to deal with the head of the PA and that's Abbas, not Hamas. Kinda like Israel working with Obama, not the Senate or Congress of the USA.

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"Maybe you should consider living in a frequently-bombed concentration camp for years on end. I know you think it's cuddle camp and that the bombs are actually shipments of fluffy pillows, but still.."

How do you convince Israelis who took on thousands of rockets from Gaza after the pullout to risk 100% pullout from the W.Bank given the VERY high risk (about 100%) that the W.Bank would turn into another Gaza and rocket attacks this time around would be far more catastrophic?

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"And keeping out trucks of food and medicine has halted the rockets?"

The pattern is no attacks, more truckloads and fewer border restrictions. What's difficult about this?

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"Are you aware that before the 2nd intifada, the borders were open? "
I am, actually.

Why do you think the borders were open? Why didn't those nasty Israelis close the borders before Intifada 2 and make Gaza a prison back then?

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"Finally, your last statement says it all. You think the lives of tens of thousands is worth it"
When compared to the lives of millions, yes. Neither is preferable, but if those are the options, then yes.

So again, you prefer another war, worse than Gaza 2008-09 once there's a pullout from the W.Bank, over the status quo?

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"Don't try to pretend to be sympathetic to the Gazans, Shira. You're arguing that htye should have remained occupied, that the abuses heaped on them are wholly deserved, and that they need to be oppressed for their own good. You're like the plantation owner that insists slaves need to be chained and mutilated to "teach them to be civilized"

This is too funny.

1. I'm for Israel disengaging from 60% of the W.Bank and ending the occupation there. You're against ending it.
2. You're the one advocating for another war once Israel withdraws unilaterally from the W.Bank, and you want to sell it as though this is good for Palestinians.

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"The situation still sucks years after Lebanon 2006 and Gaza 2008-09"
Yeah, imagine that. The regional superpower invades two substantially weaker "opponents" targets civilians and infrastructure, and at least in the second case forcibly prevents any attempt to rebuild or care for the populace, and you say "things still suck." Ya think?

Translation: Next time Israel is attacked big time, Israel should just take it. Allow open borders, invite more destruction. Be nice, get killed, and do nothing in response.

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"You really want that for the W.Bank as well? You think that's a better alternative than the current situation? "
Since the current situation has led to the deaths of a few hundred thousand people, am I to suppose then that you prefer a few hundred thousand more, just so the status quo of Jewish supremacy is maintained?

Since 1948 the total number of Arabs killed hasn't exceeded 100,00 so what the hell are you talking about?

As for 'supremacy', I'm curious. Do you agree this is the main goal of Hamas WRT their Islamic revolutionary movement?