Reply #36: If I thought you were lying

[Cherchez la Femme]

I'd say it. If I doubted your sincerity, I'd say it.

To me, your credibility is indeed in question but I'm not saying that's deliberate on your part. You come from a certain viewpoint, a certain preconceived Faith. You believe sources which have been proved 'untruthful' to put it kindly, and which are part of the vastIsraeli propaganda machine -- those are your beliefs.

What I stated are also my own beliefs regarding both your sources, the way you put things, and you.

You may find it credible that the IAF protests the questioning of its deeds, motives, and how truthful they are. You believe it. Fine. I don't.

I have heard way too many times the same excuses
--time and time and time again--
about how they 'didn't know', how 'collateral damage is unfortunate but expected', about how Palestinians are liars just trying to stir the pot & get IAF soldiers in trouble -- even though there is much videotape and eyewitness testimony refuting all that. Another line 'Nobody could have imagined/predicted/conceived that X would happen!' is also a chestnut, also a doppelganger from recent U.S. history (Condi Rice, regarding 9/11). There has been so much death & destruction, in an incredibly skewed, asymmetric fashion, wreaked by Israeli soldiers; including attacking & killing U.N. peacekeepers, I no longer believe the constant trite lines about 'kids as human shields', while slaughters dozens of kids & adults. I have heard about --and disbelieved-- the countless "enemy combatants" killed by U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan;
how impossible it is that so many, entire extended families including so many very young children all happen to be, unbelievably, "enemy combatants"; and if I don't believe it of my fellow countrymen & women, how can I possibly suspend my disbelief and believe it regarding Israel?

It's ALL been used WAY too much.

And no, I don't truly believe any of them unless there is absolute confirmation vouched by non-interested, non-invested, neutral parties.

Israel cries 'Wolf!' too many times, nobody will come running anymore. They pushed, pushed, pushed for war with Afghanistan and Iraq; they have failed, so far, with Iran (probably only because the U.S. is smack out of cannon fodder) but the thing with Iran now is many people are not biting the dangled propaganda bait. Once bitten, twice shy is not just an adage. It seems Israel cares not one whit about our lost treasure and blood <--the latter irreplaceable.

Israel --with it's far superior funding, armor, equipment, technology, vehicles, aircraft, militia, weapons (including WMD)-- and from the point of being the strongest entity on that continent if not one of the strongest in the world, cries 'Victim' and 'Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!' way too much with the result hardly anybody believes it anymore.

Israel uses heavily funded groups such as AIPAC, GIYUS, CAMERA, JIDF (which COULD be a helpful force but since it apes the State of Israels official line and deals mostly, it seems, in propaganda it is widely discounted), etc.. It indulges in propaganda such as attempts at thought & opinion control, no matter what the truth is; (false) information seeding & control -- ultimately all kinds of propaganda (& the catapulting thereof) in every medium it can
including its own State Ministry of,
with arrogant impunity and still, no matter how many times they are found out, expects everyone to be taken in as automatons, never thinking critically of the pablum they're fed. Highly unrealistic.
People become aware of the tricks, they do NOT appreciate being fooled even the first time, nor are they enamored of being treated as an idiot and expected to keep on believing the same old tired, used story.

That's not to say that any of Israel's stories have always been false, obviously not. But using the same old same old, trying to manipulate everyone continually & constantly will unfortunately throw doubt & suspicion on everything.

I'm sorry if this post upsets or insults you, but it's the truth for many, many people -- and no, far from all are Muslims, Arabs or Middle Easterners.

If you really loved Israel, you should join Gush Shalom, one of the similar groups, or at least keep petitioning the government to be transparent and to above all tell the truth even if they f'ed up,

and to attempt to truly be, not start a propaganda campaign on how they 'really are', more humane to fellow human beings
--people around the world will appreciate that with the result of not being so suspicious that they're being treated as a brainless idiot, a patsy, and an easy mark to be used solely for the benefit of Israel's propaganda.


I don't know if it's been worth the time to put all this down,
but one can only hope...
If it hasn't, oh well: Lesson Learned.