Reply #177: What a glutton for punishment!

[RH]

It is a reported fact that

"The final radar signal from the plane came at 9:37:35 a.m., about a
mile from the Pentagon, when the plane dropped below radar level."
(as reported in 'Hijackers Targeted Pentagon', Washington Post - September 21 by Don Phillips)

One mile at 500 mph. is 7.2 seconds. Because the Arlington Heights over which the plane flew are well above the Pentagon the plane would have been at tree top height for some considerable distance. Many witness decribed it the same way.

ATC was in touch with the C130 plane. It was called in especially by ATC. CBS would have access to the information the same way they have access to any other information. They ask or they read. The source may well have been the NTSB.

I agree that the secrecy about the C130 is suspicious, as is the delay. The 'No Boeing' disinformation campaign did a remarkably good job of distracting attention from that and the Black Box flight recorder information. There are many contradictions and oddities. If you get around to reading the O'Brien C130 pilot story I dare say you'll think of few about that. It does look like the C-130 story was initially classified because early stories about ACT and radar made no mention of it.

Strangely enough lots of people on 9/11 had bare eyes. Lots of stories turned up late. As I collected eye witness reports in 2002 new ones continually turned up and older ones were discovered. There are also of course a lot more people who saw the plane, especially along Columbia Pike and in Arlington Village, except that they're not heard of. It was simply not so unusual to have seen the thing, not newsworthy as such. Hundreds of people, literally, had noticed it. 'anablep' who used to contribute here was in touch with some before she withdrew from the flack.

"Rosslyn lines up quite nicely with the state department across the Pontomac" ?

Lines up with what? A line between Rosslyn and the State Dpartment passes well north of the Pentagon with National Airport nearly 90 degrees away to the South.

I understand the doubts about the trajectory because I used to have my own doubts about it, thinking that the radar plot of the C130 and the B757 may have been confused. The descriptions from witnesses are not terribly clear and I have never yet seen an officially verified map of the trajectory. Nor did I ever ever take the story from the C130 pilot at face value, but all in all there were far too many people around to see where it went. It is hardly possible to fake a version of somthing that happened in broad busy daylight. An Airliner away from a usual flight path is not something to make a mistake about. I live right underneath a busy flight path. It is something that nobody in the vicinity can help but be aware of. Even if you can't hear or see a plane that flies that low and fast you can feel the building shake.

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Save yourself some time. Get used to it.

Did you ask Don Wright?

I thought not.

Can you show me one person in Arlington to see for themselves who thinks that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon?

I thought not.