Reply #121: Your unusual claims

[Kevin Fenton]

"I think it's safe to assume that the charges would be placed on the same floors in both towers."
Give or take, that should be about right.

"So if there were explosions on floor 92 of North tower, there would be undetonated explosives on floor 92 of the South Tower."
No, why would they not have been set off?

"Also, are you suggesting that a demo team was watching the towers and saying "er, 92 is close enough"."
Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting.

"And you have yet to make the case that these ARE explosions."
The case for explosives has two planks; briefly:
(1) The damage is not adequate to cause a collapse - the impacts took away only 15% of the building's structure. There's no way office fires lasting 56 and 102 minutes could account for enough of the structure to induce collapse.
(2) There are two possible explanations for the ejections - either they are "squibs" from charges or ejections caused by pancaking floors. I am suggesting they are "squibs" from charges, because, for example:
(a) They are not seen from all floors. If the building pancaked, then we would expect to see broadly the same phenomena on all floors. The "squibs"/ejections are clearly not appearing from all floors. It is clear that explosives do not have to be set on all floors, but how can ejections from a pancake-like collapse bypass a floor?
(b) In many instances they can be seen to be in line with the core columns. It is clear why charges placed on core columns would exit the building at the corresponding place in the perimeter wall. However, why would pancaking floors shoot out jets in line with core columns?
(c) The fixed-point camera that vibrates before the North Tower collapses;
(d) They look like them, compare the "squibs" in Loose Change to squibs from any other explosive demolition.

"Incidentally, progressive collapse could start either above the impact area (removal of support) or below (weight of debris)."
No, it wouldn't. It would start in the middle of the impact area, where the damage was the most. The most damaged floor must fail first.

"Also, surely the windows wouldn't just blow out on the one floor that was detonated, would they? One bomb did all this:"
Bombs/charges come in different strengths. Perhaps the bomb that did that was a big one, not a series of cutter charges attached to the building's structure.

"If I worked in a 100-storey building, I would notice if the lifts were out of order. Or are you suggesting the lifts were fully powered and in motion while teams worked in the shaft?"
Sarcasm, cute. The elevators in the WTC were arranged in banks. It would be possible to take one elevator in a bank out of service, whilst keeping the rest in service. Thus, workers in the building would not be inconvenienced. Alternatively, freight elevator shafts could be used.

"How much time would be needed, and how many people would this operation take?"
The amount of time needed would be inversely proportional to the number of people. I think I'll go for lots of time and 4 people.

I asked you to explain why you think the building would resonate, but all you did is repeat the claim that it would resonate. How about an explanation?

The debris in the photo appear to be outside the building. Why do you think they would subsequently be ejected from inside the building? How would they get in?

"But the windows on the lower floor did not break immediately before collapse, suggesting that there were no explosions in the basement."
Again, I asked you for an account confirming this. You did not provide one. Does that mean you don't have one?

"Were the explosives in the core, or in the basement, or both?"
Why do you think there was no core in the basement?

"Were they conventional charges, thermite, or both, or something else?"
How the hell am I supposed to tell exactly what sort of charges were used from viewing the photos, videos, etc.

"The 37,000 WTC workers who report none of this."
There were not 37,000 WTC workers. Did you make the number up yourself or did you get it from somebody who made it up?

What, specifically, would you like them to report?