Reply #82: Being a Kennedy didnt' help Ted 8 years later. And RFK had definitely

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built up a persona around race, class and opportunity (by visiting south africa and appalachia) and he rejected Vietnam as the frame, and he was winning primaries, and I can't think of a good reason why he wouldn't have kept winning.

And something that DID happen was running within the frame of vietnam in both 68 and 72 and losing the GE, and something that did happen was FDR winning in 32 with a message about class and about hope even though fascist and imperialist storm clouds were on the horizon and even though there was economic misery at home.

I think there's enough evidence to support my argument.

But, more imortantly, I don't think there's ANY evidence to support the argument that the Democrats should run even more on just war and terror. When has that ever worked?