Reply #4: Wow, you totally missed the point of his guests

[sandnsea]

People are so dug in to their own positions that they can't step back and see the bigger picture, which is how to get out as quickly as possible with the least human casualty all around. As it relates to Howard Dean, is that winning or losing? And who the fuck care?

The problem with Howard Dean's comments, as usual, are that they're a distraction from the real problems facing us. So instead of talking about the best way to get out, we're now going to be talking about Vietnam and surrendering in the "war on terror" and however else the right chooses to spin it. Howard had an opportunity to frame the emptiness of the word "winning" as it pertains to Iraq because he's already said we need to stay in there for quite a while longer, I think 2 years. So not only is it a distraction, it doesn't even make any sense.