Reply #56: The problem with this Nance, is a misrepresentation of the actual debate:

[Political Heretic]

"Simply put, I am not willing to settle for winning a battle, if it means losing the war. I am not willing to do what is "right", if it means placing my nation back into the "wrong" hands - hands that will once again torture the innocent, and cover-up their crimes, past and future, in the doing."

Well said. And I have said this many times in the past about other issues. However, this is a statement on which everyone agrees.

So the debate isn't about whether we should win the battle and lose the war or not. The debate is over whether or not we can win the war without fighting this battle now. It's about the definition of "winning" the war. It's about whether or not fighting this battle is even at odds with winning the war.

That's the debate.

If it was a debate between people who wanted to win the war and people who were willing to lose it, that would be easy. Just ban the people who want to lose and move on.

But that's not what's going on here...