Reply #28: You know what really gets me...

[vaberella]

And this is completely putting the language of the bill aside. Is the fact that so many people are ready to say that Obama is some sort of "turncoat" and he's supporting a bill that denies us our civil liberties.

People, I'm just appalled. I'm really appalled and surprised. You'd think people who read up on Obama's background and history would know that the man built his career or protecting the people's civil rights in this nation. He made a point when he went into political office to do the same, which he did.

He even supported the courts in regards to the detainees because he wanted to uphold our constitution and now people are so ready to believe that Obama would pick a bill that would undermine his own beliefs and earlier actions. Actions that aren't even a month old. People are willing to completely think that Obama would willing take up a bill that would tarnish our civil liberties. Our Civil liberties first of all was already under check with the Patriot Act running around and causing havoc on people.

The FISA is not perfect, and this has been said ad nauseum however, we also have to realize that foreign threat is relevant. I live in New York and we're still being basically policed (or maybe it's my area because it's predominantly minority peoples), I'd rather see that toned down. However, I do think that we do have some threats to worry about and blowback is no joke considering what this administration has done for the past bloody 7.5 years.

FISA doesn't undermine the rights of the people and states clearly that information can not be solicited without warrants. This is what Bush did and why he broke the laws and why HE basically shitted on our civil liberties and the constitution.