Reply #3: In that case I would add

[Hutzpa]

that people should not separate the two or create them as groups, we all want the same thing
but sometimes we go about in achieving these things differently, as in with anything we do in
life, there are rules and regulation to govern our indecisions and strayed thinking, these rules
are put in place as guidelines to help protect us from peer pressure and other unaccounted for
influences.

I think folks here tend to go over the top with their arguments and I sometimes have been guilty
of that and I found out that, that is due mainly to my frame of mind at the time of reading the
thread/post in question, I've learned to chill out when I see something I don't agree with I use
the tools made available to me, also, I don't have an ego problem.

But thats me, your input is well appreciated.