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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:19 PM
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It's Elementary! Nydia Stone, Cuban, is Lucy Ramirez: TANG fakes are GOP!
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Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 07:23 PM by Dems Will Win


Unknown Man with the Envelope
and Lucy Ramirez??


I’ve called you all into the parlor this evening to announce that I have cracked “The Strange Case of the TANG Forgeries”. We all now know that Bill Burkett says he was told about the documents by a certain “Lucy Ramirez” and that he was given the forgeries by “an unknown man with an envelope” who turned and left after making the hand-off.

Here with us tonight are Roger Stone, the famous, or should I say infamous, dirty trickster of the Nixon, Reagan and Bush eras.

Also joining us tonight is Mr. Stone’s lovely wife Nydia Bertran-Stone, a fiery Cuban rightwinger, who incidentally helped him arrange for Cuban righties to come down to the Miami courthouse, riot, and steal the election for George W. Bush in 2000. Stone was personally asked by James Baker to come down and oversee the illegal tactic.

And guess who James Baker also asked to come and riot, Harry W. MacDougald, the “eagle-eyed” Buckhead, who announced the TANG documents were forgeries almost immediately, as if he had been forewarned. Mr. MacDougald is here with us as well. So Stone and Buckhead rioted together. Harry W. MacDougald is actually part of a gang of Republican lawyers who will do almost anything for the GOP.

Mr. Stone is notorious for his electioneering dirty tricks for years. His first election fraud was to open a bank account with a phony name called The Young Socialist Alliance and send a campaign contribution to Pete McCloskey, an antiwar Republican in the Seventies, who was thinking of running against Nixon in 1972. As soon as the check cleared Stone then promptly called the press, claiming funding from Socialists for McCloskey!

Mr. Stone next honed his dirty tricks skills while working with Karl Rove in the Nixon White House. Need I say more? Please forgive me then, for I shall.

We also know Mr. Stone planted an Buchanan child story in the Washington Post to sink Pat Buchanan’s 1992 campaign for President and then made a flyer about it, according to Mattie Lovlar, on retainer to Stone at the time who said he “worked at planting the story”. Stone denied it saying: "I remember getting a call or two saying this stuff was out there. If there was a flyer, it wasn't from Roger Stone."

In 2000, Baker calls MacDougald, Stone to Miami to organize the riot that stole the election for Bush. Nydia Stone organizes the Cubans who participated. Afterwards Dick Cheney himself called Mr. Stone and asked him what he wanted for his sterling service to the gang, didn’t he Roger? Stone soon had lucrative consulting contracts adding up to tens of millions of dollars from Indian gaming concerns.
From this point on, Roger and Nydia Stone were Karl Rove’s top covert operatives, off the payroll but paid off in substantial consulting contracts on the side, especially with the Indian casinos.

In 2002, Stone disrupts the career of BIA Deputy Undersecretary Wayne Smith who might have opposed his clients on a casino case. A fake letter and the planting of a story with Time Magazine through a Democratic operative was involved, Mr. Stone’s Modus Operandi. Stone denied it, however, saying: “Mr. Stone believes that an individual by the name of Mike Copperthite is claiming to have provided the information to Time magazine at Mr. Stone’s instigation." The statement says this claim is "false in all respects."

Next, Mr. Stone actually became the campaign manager for Democrat Al Sharpton, probably at the request of Karl Rove. This was a blatant attempt to conflate Sharpton with the word “Democrat” and sink the ticket by a more impressive and funded Sharpton campaign.

During the Democratic primaries, the AWOL charge came up. Karl Rove, alarmed at this turn of events, decided to forge documents that were based on real documents, with truth in them that reflected badly on the President, but that were fake. If he could get the DNC or the Kerry campaign to run with them, the cry of forgery could be used to shut down all talk of Bush’s National Guard service, once they were exposed. A simple plan, Nazis did it all the time.



Dr. H20 Man and Dems Will Win examine the copy
of the copy of the copy of the TANG forgery.


Only Rove, with Bartlett’s help, could have made the forgeries, for Bartlett was an expert on the TANG records and had documents not yet released to the press, including no doubt the Knox memos. Rove would have kept the forgers’ circle small, with as few in the know as possible. They forge the memos, originally typed by Mrs. Knox on an old Olympia manual, on a military electric typewriter of the time.
Scotland has just sent me the forensic analysis and I am holding it here in my hand. It definitively proves the documents were forged using an electric typewriter of the time. Rove and Bartlett knew that whoever received the fake documents, an authentication process would have taken place no matter who the forgeries were given to. So they used a typewriter.

Please pass around the forensic analysis: http://imrl.usu.edu/bush_memo_study/index.htm

The real part of proving forgery lies not in fonts or spacing but in the content, as Staudt was named in the memos as still having command power long after he had left. Plus Mrs. Knox had an old Olympia manual typewriter that she says she typed something similar on. So there were real memos at some point but they are on an old manual!

The Staudt mistake was a deliberate falsity planted by Rove to discredit the whole batch to the press later. No doubt the memos were included in the original records after Killian died or Bartlett sought them out, knowing Killian did not like Bush!

With the forgeries in hand, Rove or Bartlett call up Roger Stone—someone who would never talk and the only person Rove could give this particular job to. Rove then gets Stone the TANG forgeries. Nydia Stone, who has a Cuban accent, and has a long history of right-wing politics, having been Nixon’s personal photographer and a photographer at the Reagan White House, offers to play the part of the damsel in distress, Lucy Ramirez. The Stones, who love to put on a good show, are thrilled to be “back in action”.

Bill Burkett was the perfect patsy selected by Rove and Bartlett, having had a history of mental illness and known to hate Bush. A Democratic plot would have never chosen him to be the source!
“Lucy Ramirez”, really Nydia, calls Burkett from Houston and tells him of the documents, telling him he must get them to Kerry, but that he must promise to destroy the originals as soon as copies them for her sake. Burkett agrees and arranges to meet her at a livestock event in Lubbock.

But Lucy doesn’t show up. Not wanting his wife to be the one to make the handoff--it was Roger Stone delivering the hottest envelope of 2004 to Bill Burkett. Stone then turned around and left without saying a word. Burkett, being an honorable man, obeyed the damsel in distress pleas and burned the originals after copying them. "Lucy Ramirez" and the "unknown man with the envelope" disappear, with USA Today unable to track them down.

The trap is set, only Burkett doesn't call anyone about the documents until the swift boat ads appear 5 months later. He calls Max Cleland but the Kerry campaign never calls him back, likely knowing his history of mental illness and Bush hatred.

Mary Mapes of CBS, however, tracks him down in late August and asks if there is anything else he knows, as CBS prepares to air a story on the National Guard issue.

When the promos for the CBS report come on, Roger Stone phones MacDougald and the trap is set. Within hours, MacDougald has every main point in play and the game begins. But Buckhead was tipped off by Stone just that the docs were fake and so Buckhead tried to squeeze them into a forgery produced by a word processor.

Thword processor story will no longer hold up. But it just means that Rove had them typed by Bartlett on an electric typewriter of the day to replace the Knox memos that Bartlett must have also had--as he has always been in charge of the National Guard docs for the White House—as I have already explained. This makes sense as they would want the docs to look real enough for publication or even better, broadcast.

AGAIN THINK—Why would a Democrat give forged documents to a source like Burkett who could be easily destroyed as a witness? But he’s a perfect Rove patsy.

Only a Republican would do it and Roger and Nydia Stone have been in the middle of top-level dirty tricks for years. Nydia even put Al Sharpton over the top with a $250 contribution from herself and friends, when he almost didn’t make the matching fund threshold.

She is as big a right-winger as her husband is. She is no doubt Lucy Ramirez, and what I have laid out here before you is the only probable solution to the whole case, no matter how unlikely that may seem—given Rove and Bartlett’s position.

The final sign that this was a White House forgery came when the reporter interviewing Dan Bartlett noted that Bartlett’s statement that he had “no reason to doubt the memos were authentic” was emphasized so much the reporter noticed it as standing out. Bartlett recently cancelled all his appearances, possibly to avoid questioning by the other side.

Even though Rove and Bartlett were taking a tremendous risk, as I like to tell Dr. H20 Man all the time: "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." And a Democrat doing this is impossible—it MUST be the White House. Roger Stone would never do this without the orders of Rove.
Roger Stone is CLEARLY the “unknown man” who gave Bill Burkett the envelope with the TANG Forgeries and Nydia Stone is “Lucy Ramirez”, who talked Burkett into believing the forgeries we real and into burning the originals. This was so annual watermarks on the paper did not give away the game too early to reach the broadcast of the fakes.

Of course Mr. Stone has issued his predictable denial, sounding much like all his other denials of his dastardly deeds: "I have nothing whatsoever to do with this," Mr. Stone told USA TODAY. "I'm a firm believer in political hardball, but I draw the line at forged documents." But even his first trick involved a phony group and name and then calling the press: the Pete McCloskey check from the "Young Socialist Alliance".

Roger Stone! I accuse you of planting the TANG Forgeries with Bill Burkett in Lubbock on March 3rd. Why have you still not provided a good alibi for your whereabouts on March 3rd, 2004?

Nydia Stone! I accuse you of being the seductive “Lucy Ramirez” who took old Burkett for a ride and pleaded with him to burn the documents to protect your honor.



Dems Will Win Turns the Notorious "Lucy Ramirez"
over to the Cyber-Bobbies


And I accuse Karl Rove and Dan Bartlett of typing the TANG fakes themselves!

I submit to all present the solution of “The Strange Case of the TANG Forgeries”. The prosecutor shall of course have to pull phone airplane and credit card records, but I’m sure Mr. Stone made the drop of the fakes himself—to follow Rove’s command to keep the circle of those in the know as small as possible. Plus Stone would not want a repeat of 1992 when he was accused by an accomplice of “planting the story”.

Now fetch me my pipe and bowl!

LINKS:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_25_51/ai_58326762

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=313

http://www.famoustexans.com/karlrove.htm

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0416/barrett.php

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/barrett.php

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/21/17737/0525

http://news.best-buy-online.com/News_87.html

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=...

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=...

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/09-96/09-13-96/a04...

http://www.nndb.com/people/844/000047703 /

http://portal.fightingdemocrat.com/modules.php?name=New...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/09/15_recount.html


Oh by the way on the way out, could you please nominate this thread and send out an email to these chaps?

Thanks so much and pip-pip! Cheerio!


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