Danish Reporter's Interview With Arnebeck

[Helga Scow Stern]

posted on the thread Update from Denmark

ANOTHER UPDATE: Interview with Cliff Arnebeck, Ohio


Cliff Arnebeck

Concerning the filing of the challenge of the vote:

- Were still working on it. Its complex. We have to have all the 25 contesters to sign the complaint. Its an ordeal. Weve got a team of lawyers working on it. I told the NY Times yesterday that we'd be filing werdnesday, but the date isnt carved in stone.
- We of course have a deadline, which is outside the actual time that it will be ripe to be filed, starting at three thirty yesterday afternoon. While were later than we would have liked, in terms of the actual statutory scheme, were not... If we filed today we'd be within the first 24 hours of the first clear legal opportunity to do it.
- So when's the deadline?
- Fifteen days after the certification. In two weeks.
- The electorate will meet december 13?
- Thats the schedule. The national schedule. Naturally we'll be seeking to have that modified in view of the recount and the challenge.
- What do you build your challenge on?
- We build our challenge on statistical anomalies which are not explainable in any other way than that the voting was hacked and votes where moved from Kerry to Bush in three or four counties in and around Cincinatti.
- Butler?
- Butler, Clairmount(sp?), Warren and Hamilton.
- You have analyzed these anomalies statisticly?
- Yes, analyzed them from a macro standpoint, looking at all the counties in the state, using benchmarks from other races which were competitive, then also analyzing precint by precint, each of the top three counties, where the anomalies appeared to exist on a macro analysis, so we have statistical analysis, macro, micro both pointing the same way, and with that data if you correct for that anomaly and say, that the only logical explanation is that the votes were moved, and if you move the votes back to where they were cast, then you get a concistency with what the exit polling data showed on election day. So thats pretty strong evidence.
- We think its fraud. We think we can prove it. We think we can prove it within the timeframe of this election and of course, if that is succesful - and were not dependent of the secretary of state who's both corrupt and partisan, this is filed before the Ohio supreme court - so we think we can accomplish the task of correcting for this fraud and if so, that would mean the Ohio electorial votes would be cast for Kerry, which would mean that Kerry would be president instead of Bush.
- What amount of votes were moved from Kerry to Bush?
- We can't tell at this point, but we think at minimum it's the margin. The margin. So 60.000, moving 60.000 votes in these three or four counties, 60.000 votes, deducted from Kerry and added to Bush would create a 120.000 margin. It is at least that. It may be more. This may have been done in more counties. The aggregate of the movement would mean that Kerry actually won by the margin that they reported that Bush won.
- This sounds similar to the working paper from Michael Hout, UC Berkeley on the election in Florida.
- This election?
- Have you read that report?
- No.
- They investigated how electronical voting machines moved votes to Bush. They claim that 130.000 upwards to 260.000 votes were moved from Kerry to Bush in three counties.
- Wow!
- They build this claim on statistical analysis of anomalies.
- I'm glad you brought that up. I had vaguely heard about something going on, but I didn't know the details and I didn't know they'd come up with the same scenario.
- I'll mail their working paper to you immediately.
- The New York Times did cover this (the challenge). I gave them a couple of interviews yesterday and its in todays NY Times. I'm assuming the Washington Post has it as well, I gave them two interviews yesterday. I also gave a half hour interview with CNN and I did a half hour interview with CSPAN about a week ago, its available on the internet.
- Not much media coverage?
- Thats changing. Once you make the NY Times and Washington Post you're in the main stream media.



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