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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:12 PM
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5. OK several things
First, the pitch. We're asking that Senators (and Reps) to declare their intent to object NOW.

www.thedeanpeople.org

This puts states on notice that there may be a consequence to their lack of action. Included is a demand that states take affirmative action to demonstrate that any problems in their state have been remedied or are of negligible effect.

This puts the burden of proof back where it belongs. State officials don't simply owe us a vote count that we can't prove was criminally generated. They owe us a result we have confidence in. They have failed in several states to do this.

Now, if there's no shift in the political landscape and a Senator just pops up on Jan 6th to object. The bodies retire to separate chambers and vote, then most likely come back and accept the challenged electors.

But even this would be an historical event. On a more practical level it creates a real consequence for the situation. Something might actually happen next time if we don't clean up our act. You must make the injustice visible. -- Ghandi

That is even the most pessimistic scenario.

The political landscape could well change. Or even turn on a dime, should their be some fruits from the efforts ongoing in Ohio and elsewhere. We could end up in situation where even some Repubs are concerned about the integrity of the election. (Yes, really.)

But even if not, we could have a situation where the public gets wise. And then you could have "impeachment numbers." Where 70% of the country thinks (not simply that we should moveon) but that there's treason afoot.

It's one thing for cowardly politicians to sit on their hands while someone's cronies foist an appointed ruler on us (as opposed to an elected leader) with some legal mumbo jumbo, smoke and mirrors. But it's quite another to face down a 70% negative public opinion poll.

(Which is exactly what they were likely facing in 2000 when Luntz focus-grouped the Florida Leg. doing the dirty work scenario. They had no choice but to defecate on the institution of the court to "shut it down.")

And they thought they had an image problem with Gingrich around.

Now, you want me to go into the benefit to party/leftist morale; or the 5-7% of the white male vote it could garner by simply showing some backbone for a change (another historical event).

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