Reply #38: But come on...

[varkam]

If theological forces can in "no way manifest themselves in a measurable cause and effect way in our physical universe", then aren't theists saying "Well, this is how we think our existence is - but we have absolutely no reason to think that. We're basically just talking out of our ass."

Even *I* don't think that's the case with theists, and I'm a pretty militant atheist. God is supposed to be ever present in our lives, correct? If that's the case, then surely there's some way that we can measure his / her / it's effects on our existence. To say that God or other theological forces act on our existence, but there's no possible way of examining or observing them smacks of fraud to me. It seems just as plausible in that sense, to me at least, that there is no God.