Reply #8: Actually, I said on November 5th that the fundies won a battle, but the war

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is already over and they've lost. What I meant was that the flow of our culture is towards the acceptance and the equality of gays, not that we are already there.

The supreme irony is that the fundy whackadoos may well have sped the process up massively. We may have marriage and other equality for gays years before we might have - because of the mormons! Laugh out loud funny.