Reply #2: No it is not, and except for Bush and his cronies, nobody is saying

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we can win it. First, what does that mean: win it. Officially, we went there to change the regime and get rid of WMDs. There were no WMDs. Saddam is no more in power. Why are we fighting now?

- a stable Iraq? It should not be our role to fight for that. If the Iraqis do now, then who will do it?

- defend our interests in the ME? What are they? What will it take?

- avoid Iran involvement in Iraq. Why is it our role to decide with whom the Iraqis will work?

- have military bases and economic interests: ? May be we can win that, but at what price and is it something the American people want?

Some people are just trying to get out while limiting the damages. I think that this is what most Democrats are looking for, whatever their solution is, but I think we all know we cannot win in Iraq. We have already lost.