Reply #6: jesus, how often does it have to be said...

[enki23]

"Innocent until proven guilty" does not f**king apply to the opinions of private citizens. Our beloved president hasn't been "proven guilty" of any serious crimes either, but for some reason I feel perfectly at ease calling him a criminal jackass nonetheless. And, in fact, I would bet no one here would counter with the idiotic, completely misapplied statement "he's innocent until proven guilty."

Michael Vick, barring some bizarre setup, is a criminal asshole, and I hope he rots in prison for a very long time.

And for the record, the phrase also doesn't apply to the internal decisions of the private governing body of the NFL.