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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:06 AM
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Can we at DU STOP helping the GOP Push their STUPID Lies and Swiftboating Tactics
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Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 03:06 AM by AuntPatsy
and just stick to the facts.

There are plenty of more links, hard to find to be honest with you but one needs to remember just how far they will go, what they will say and IMPLY and accuse someone of therefore leaving people to spend HOURS defending themselves. IT doesn't have to be the truth, all they have to do is make the accusation. SAD very sad when we fall for it time and time again.

The newest outrage in order to attack Hillary is because President Bill Clinton likened his wife to be swiftboated? How soon we forget how President Clinton worked hard to be able to help the candidates fight these criminals and freaks..and just what they are capable of, he knew, he had the scars and still carries them today..

Enough, I could care less at this time if you like Hillary clinton or Not, at least let us be honest with facts on why and not make up reasons to dispise her.

We have a new election coming up, the voting fraud issue still not investigated to satisfaction, and I have no doubt that if attacking the dem candidates there by diverting attention away from how they did this before and what they are doing now and why their ratings are sooo soo low then we have no one to blame but ourselves for one again allowing this unfit present day leaders of this country to steal even more of our country's proud republic right out from under out noses.

Read some of this, remember it, don't forget and DON'T let it happen again.


We must lead them, don't let them lead us in the wrong direction!

First of all, President Clinton did defend Kerry against the slime machine of the GOP swiftboaters and he did help Kerry and attempted to help him fight against them..

CLINTON: ANTI-KERRY AD BEARS 'FALSE WITNESS'
Monday, August 30, 2004

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NEW YORK — Former President Bill Clinton defended John Kerry on Sunday, telling FOX News that one of the independent campaign ads questioning Kerry's Vietnam service bore "false witness."
"There has been too much controversy or discussion about the politics of it and little about its merits," Clinton told FOX News' Geraldo Rivera. "The ad was paid for by a big supporter of the president and the campaign's lawyer and one of the military advisers participate accurately in it and it was wrong. It was false witness."

So far, the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has released several ads critical of Kerry's actions or comments during and after the Vietnam War. Although he did not specify which ad he was talking about, Clinton likely was talking about an ad the group ran that said Kerry was lying about what happened in Vietnam.


"All the guys that were on the boat with him say he told the truth. The records say he told the truth. There have been no serious disputes about any of the incidents in which he earned his medals," Clinton said outside the Landmark Riverside Church in upper Manhattan.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130532,00.html


A visibly angry Bill Clinton had some choice words for the politics of distraction that the Republican party has employed to keep from having to confront their blind support for failed policies.

Of course, CNN’s John King is obliged to bring up the Clenis for “balance.”

CLINTON: …This was classic bait and switch.

COOPER: Focus on that as opposed to focus on what’s really happening ….

CLINTON: Oh yeah. That’s right. “I don’t have to deal with Iraq. I don’t have to tell anybody what I’m going to do. Everything we do in Iraq is obviously right because they said this about Petraeus,” as if it was the only issue in the whole wide world. Come on, these Republicans were all upset about Petraeus-this was one newspaper ad-these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad. I mean, these are the people that funded the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The President appointed one of the principal funders of the Swift Boat ads to be an ambassador, but they’re really about the Petraeus one. It’s okay to question John Kerry’s patriotism on the blatantly dishonest claims by people that didn’t know what they are talking about. So it was just bait and switch. It was “Oh, thank goodness, I can take this little word here and ignore what we’ve done in Iraq and what we’re gonna do and the outrageous way that we’re gained political power by smearing John Kerry.”
Filed Under: Bill Clinton, Smears, The Situation Room/

http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/clintons/bill-clinton/


Bill Clinton Takes the Gloves Off

Finally! Finally, Bill Clinton has got mad. The ailing Osama doesn't get as many kicks to the head on a daily basis as does Bill Clinton. And it looks like maybe he's had enough. The interview with Fox's Chris Wallace will not air until Sunday but already the rough transcript of the show has been released. Fox is spinning it as an out of control Clinton who has gone a little crazy. I say it's Bill Clinton telling the truth to that little worm Chris Wallace. Here is a good link to what took place in the interview.

If you're in a hurry and just want to read the rough transcript click here.

I would hope that our Senators Lincoln and Pryor take a tip from President Clinton and slap themselves enough to become mad as hell and not take it any more. They are certainly not doing the jobs we expect them to do and the jobs we pay them very well to do. It's time we all took off the gloves and socked it to the Republicans who have failed us, lied to us and twisted all truth out of existence.

http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/billikenman/2006/09/bill_clinton_takes_the_gloves.aspx


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_administration_smear_campaigns:_John_Forbes_Kerry:_Latest_Headlines

A good source and read lest we forget how the bush smear machine works, I good summary.

The problem with that analogy is that it completely ignores what set the Swift Boat Vets apart: They manufactured nearly every claim they made about Kerry. They lied about documents; they lied about eyewitnesses. And they lied about their partisan leanings and connections.
And they also played the press for fools. At every turn in 2004, military records proved the Swift Boat veterans to be fakes. At every turn, each new inconsistency proved the Swift Boat veterans to be charlatans. But Beltway reporters and pundits for the most part remained hesitant, too timid to speak up, as they propped up the veterans as serious men.

Now the press is airbrushing the episode again by suggesting Giuliani's substantive critics are just like the Swift Boat vets. In truth, as The Carpetbagger Report noted, "The comparison is ridiculous. The Swiftboat attackers were lying; the International Association of Fire Fighters aren't. It's really that simple."

The problem with that analogy is that it completely ignores what set the Swift Boat Vets apart: They manufactured nearly every claim they made about Kerry. They lied about documents; they lied about eyewitnesses. And they lied about their partisan leanings and connections.

And they also played the press for fools. At every turn in 2004, military records proved the Swift Boat veterans to be fakes. At every turn, each new inconsistency proved the Swift Boat veterans to be charlatans. But Beltway reporters and pundits for the most part remained hesitant, too timid to speak up, as they propped up the veterans as serious men.

Now the press is airbrushing the episode again by suggesting Giuliani's substantive critics are just like the Swift Boat vets. In truth, as The Carpetbagger Report noted, "The comparison is ridiculous. The Swiftboat attackers were lying; the International Association of Fire Fighters aren't. It's really that simple."

"The members of the United States military are plenty smart, and they are plenty brave, and the senator from Massachusetts owes them an apology," Mr. Bush said during an appearance for a former GOP congressman, Mac Collins, who is trying to oust Democratic Rep. Jim Marshall.

Kerry, who is considering another run for the White House in 2008, angrily fired back. His statement called Republicans "assorted right-wing nut jobs."

And at a hastily arranged news conference in Seattle, Kerry said: "I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and of his broken policy."

Snip

That, Kerry said, was meant as a reference to President Bush, not troops. Kerry said it is the president who owes U.S. soldiers an apology — for "a Katrina foreign policy" that misled the country into war in Iraq, failed to adequately study and plan for the aftermath, has not properly equipped troops and has expanded the terrorist threat.

The Massachusetts Democrat called the White House attack "a classic GOP textbook Republican campaign tactic" that reveals Republicans' "willingness to reduce anything in America to raw politics."

"I'm sick and tired of a bunch of despicable Republicans who will not debate real policy, who won't take responsibility for their own mistakes, standing up and trying to make other people the butt of those mistakes," he said. "It disgusts me that a bunch of these Republican hacks who've never worn the uniform of our country are willing to lie about those who did."

Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the 2004 Kerry-Bush race. Even Kerry has blamed his slow and uncertain response to the group's claims for helping to doom his White House chances, and Democrats viewed the Tuesday fracas as a test of that lesson.

"Enough is enough. We're not going to stand for this," Kerry said. "We are going to stay in their face with the truth."

And Tuesday Kerry signaled Republicans wouldn't "swift boat him" again, Axelrod reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/31/politics/main2139768.shtml


None of this stagecraft was exactly original, however, since John Kerry had been to the same Elks Lodge five days earlier. In a question-and-answer period, he reminded a voter that he had already asked Clinton to be his Middle East envoy—and that Clinton had accepted. When Kerry was having problems last summer connecting with voters at his campaign stops, Clinton, on a cell-phone call to Kerry on his bus, "gave him very good advice about framing the real impact of the Bush budget cuts in real-person terms," says a Kerry aide, "to bring it down to the people."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,578918,00.html?iid=chix-sphere



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