Reply #59: Those Clinton/Obama detesters have "donated" about..

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$171 million to their combined campaigns -- unless you assume that the entire american corporate infrastructure has suddenly lost its collective mind and started bribing progressives. And I would further assert that the Barry Goldwater conservative, an honorable and decent type albeit with somewhat twisted priorities about domestic spending and wars of aggression, is on life-support in today's political spectrum.

So who exactly are these conservatives who detest Obamery? The wingnuts on pundit pap TV? The editorial board of the WSJ? The denizens of the prototypical American corporate boardroom? Not if you actually follow what these "experts" are saying, and not if you follow the dollars.

Re martial law: Until we're rid of the patriot acts, the military commissions act, various repressive executive orders and presidential directives, HR-1955, the TSA, the NSA, the DHS and Blackwater -- to name a few of the worst offenders -- that all the pieces are in place to give legal cover for imposition of a dictatorship, under the guise of the unitary executive and backed by local, state and federal law enforcement organizations and, if necessary, various paramilitary groups which operate outside any Constitutional protections still on the books. And don't forget that the military commissions act voided posse comitatus, which means that federal troops can now operate on US soil against US citizens.

Re election fraud, Iran and Iraq, I'm simply pointing out some lines I'd take if I were a conservative troll. Although I would be roundly ridiculed for taking these positions, I'd take care to support them with the kinds of warped statistics mass media uses to instill fear-based compliance among its viewers/readers.

Re the Democratic leadership as masterminds: That's a position taken by many posters on DU, although their numbers seem to be in decline as events demonstrate the absurdity of the claim. Any thread that points out Pelosi/Reid/Hoyer's gross incompetence, lack of courage or complicity in BushCo's agenda is immediately festooned with counterarguments about how they're manipulating events to their advantage and we'll all see their brilliance when the 2008 returns are in. I wouldn't be surprised to find your name among those posts, although maybe you've switched positions recently.

On edit: Oops, just saw a post on your journal touting Leahy as the man for the times. After watching his committee propel BushCo darling and torture denier Michael Mukasey's nomination to the full Senate, and then watching Reid fail to do anything to stop the Senate from approving Mukasey, I'm right there with Leahy as the man of the hour.

And I don't obsess about who's a troll. If I did, I'd use the ignore button, which I've yet to do for anyone since I first arrived at DU in 2001.


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